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Does I.Q. = rating?!


  • 6 years ago · #41

    uritbon

    no, you can ask erick nicely and get rating... but doesn't that mean you are very smart to even think of that?

  • 6 years ago · #42

    Olimar

    obviously the "i beat a kid with IQ 160" argument means nothing because the kid with IQ 160 probably did not study.  However, I would bet a million dollars that none of the best chess players, Kasparov , Karpov , Fischer , and the 2 playing the world champ now ( to name a few), have an IQ around 100.  I bet that they DONT have average IQ's.  There is too much innate pattern recognition and intuition involved.  Your typical joe of the street just cannot do what grandmasters can do no matter how hard he tries.  It would be nice to believe that, and perhaps ratings as high as 2000 can be achieved by ordinary people, but the intelligence truly does play a role at the elite of the ellite levels.  If you disagree with me, tell me the highest rating of a person in chess with an IQ around 100.  If the rating is close to 2600 then I will have been proven wrong with at least one instance.

  • 6 years ago · #43

    bondiggity

    The only solution is for erik to add an IQ test and compile data.

  • 6 years ago · #44

    Sprite

    I can't cite this but...I've read articles which said that IQ and ability at chess are unrelated.  There are many people who excel at chess due to specific types of "intelligence", but aren't as strong in other areas.

    I am waiting, along with many others, for the moment when a person with Savant Syndrome excels at chess.  This will be the ultimate measure of IQ=chess, as a person with Savant syndrome will have an IQ of <80 but yet will blow the world away with his/her chess abilities.

  • 6 years ago · #45

    mwaltenburg

    IQ is overrated. You can play all those IQ tests and what do you have to show for it, a lot of wasted time. Just play chess to the best of your ability, learn what you can, but most of all have fun playing the game. Don't let anything else get under your skin. You can have a really high IQ and still be dumb as a doorstop when it comes to life in general.

  • 6 years ago · #47

    ivoryknight71

    Olimar wrote:

    obviously the "i beat a kid with IQ 160" argument means nothing because the kid with IQ 160 probably did not study.  However, I would bet a million dollars that none of the best chess players, Kasparov , Karpov , Fischer , and the 2 playing the world champ now ( to name a few), have an IQ around 100.  I bet that they DONT have average IQ's.  There is too much innate pattern recognition and intuition involved.  Your typical joe of the street just cannot do what grandmasters can do no matter how hard he tries.  It would be nice to believe that, and perhaps ratings as high as 2000 can be achieved by ordinary people, but the intelligence truly does play a role at the elite of the ellite levels.  If you disagree with me, tell me the highest rating of a person in chess with an IQ around 100.  If the rating is close to 2600 then I will have been proven wrong with at least one instance.


    We have a guy in our club whose highest Elo was 2630. (http://www.westportchessclub.org/players.htm) I'll see if I can get him to give out his IQ or his thoughts on this question.

  • 6 years ago · #48

    efang

    Anyone can acheive master, a higher IQ just makes it easier to understand more complex stuff

  • 6 years ago · #50

    Duffer1965

    greasyfingers wrote:

    Hopefully Bill Wall won't mind if I link to a piece he wrote on the subject:

    http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/7378/iq.htm


    Oddly, this was post #5 but it seems that most people did not read the linked article. One very interesting fact is that Kasparov had a measured IQ of 135. If the Great Kasparov "only" has an IQ of 135, we can say without hesitation that whatever component IQ might play in potential chess ability, it cannot be the most significant. It is interesting to note that Kasparov's memory was shown to be exceptional.

  • 6 years ago · #52

    vagamundo

    As we all know, scientists have clasified intelligence in 7 different fields. I'd say chess is about being well rated in spatial intelligence!

  • 6 years ago · #53

    exigentsky

    Duffer1965 wrote:
    greasyfingers wrote:

    Hopefully Bill Wall won't mind if I link to a piece he wrote on the subject:

    http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/7378/iq.htm


    Oddly, this was post #5 but it seems that most people did not read the linked article. One very interesting fact is that Kasparov had a measured IQ of 135. If the Great Kasparov "only" has an IQ of 135, we can say without hesitation that whatever component IQ might play in potential chess ability, it cannot be the most significant. It is interesting to note that Kasparov's memory was shown to be exceptional.


    Kasparov also had an IQ test in the 180s. IQ tests are not a science or objective and do not measure everything. Tests vary in scales, upper limits, weighting etc., not to mention a person's general variance. Kasparov may very well be more intelligent than someone with an IQ 50 points higher and he also may not be. Read my previous post about this as well as the original thread if you're that interested.

  • 6 years ago · #54

    amac7079

    Duffer1965 wrote:
    greasyfingers wrote:

    Hopefully Bill Wall won't mind if I link to a piece he wrote on the subject:

    http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/7378/iq.htm


    Oddly, this was post #5 but it seems that most people did not read the linked article. One very interesting fact is that Kasparov had a measured IQ of 135. If the Great Kasparov "only" has an IQ of 135, we can say without hesitation that whatever component IQ might play in potential chess ability, it cannot be the most significant. It is interesting to note that Kasparov's memory was shown to be exceptional.


     135 is well above average and puts him in the 98th percentile of intelligence. I think your point is skewed. Depending on the scale it would not be "genius" level but it is close. 135 is a high IQ measure.

  • 6 years ago · #55

    bondiggity

    I scored a 141 on an IQ test offered on facebook. Does that mean that I should believe I could be better than Kasparov? Obviously not, there are many things measured in IQ tests (such as language) that aren't relevant to chess. 

  • 6 years ago · #56

    gumpty

    wow the average IQ on this thread alone is about 160, maybe you could all get together and solve the worlds problems in like....3 minutes?

    IQ = E.G.O.

    90% of people think that they have higher than average IQ's...how can this be possible?

  • 6 years ago · #57

    bondiggity

    gumpty wrote:

    90% of people think that they have higher than average IQ's...how can this be possible?

     

    Maybe all the people with lower than average IQ's don't have the internet :D

  • 6 years ago · #59

    Olimar

    gumpty wrote:

    wow the average IQ on this thread alone is about 160, maybe you could all get together and solve the worlds problems in like....3 minutes?

    IQ = E.G.O.

    90% of people think that they have higher than average IQ's...how can this be possible?


    how many people on this thread disclosed their IQ values!!!!  I dont see where you are calculating this 160 from!  I do, however, agree with your last statement that 90% of people think they are of "above average" intelligence.  Although that does not mean they are :P  If you happen to have a high IQ I don't see why you shouldn't be proud of it.  Not to brag, but it is nice to have a vague idea of your potential compared to others.  The test is not COMPLETELY useless, however vague it is.


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