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Does Luck Come into Chess?


  • 2 years ago · Quote · #101

    TetsuoShima

    keju wrote:

    There is a famous saying in sports: "You make your own luck". This also applies to chess. Capablanca himself said: "The good player is always lucky". The meaning is the same. "Luck favours the bold" is another version.

    you are right we need to be bold!!!

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #102

    naturalproduct

    At any level you are bound to be unlucky as many times as you are lucky. Luck is chance, right? Flip a coin then....lucky or unlucky. In the long run thier is no such thing as luck.

    You make a shite move or you dont

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #103

    naturalproduct

    porthos23 wrote:

    luck = fundamental law of nature

    what does that mean?

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #104

    BabyRhinoRainbow

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #105

    Elubas

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  • 2 years ago · Quote · #106

    jesterville

    ...of course it does...we are all humans, not machines. When your opponent makes a mistake, what do you call that? And which game has no mistakes?

    Too often we believe that even GMs will always play perfectly, and they always display that they too are human. I think this is why Carlsen continues in equal positions...because he knows that "weaker minds" will eventually make mistakes.

    Plus there are too many intangibles to mention which affects the quality of our play at any point in time...a simple thing as "the amount of sleep", or "personal stresses", can affect our games...is not the beneficiary of this lucky?

    Was Fischer lucky that Spassky continued with the match...even though Moscow had ordered him back to the Soviet Union, because Fischer was demanding the moon and the stars? He could have easily have left with his ball... 

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #107

    Eseles

    Yes, there's luck in life.... in humans....

    But there's no luck in the RULES of chess

    other games are lucky by definition (luck is an essential part of their rules or scope)

    chess by definition includes NO luck, if luck has effect on a chess game it's from outside of the game, not from inside factors

    i consider a human player an outside factor... like an alien playing chess would be an outside factor... chess would still be the same, but the alien might have different reactions and "luck" than the human...

    is that simple enough?

    UndecidedFoot in Mouth

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #108

    fburton

    Eseles wrote:

    Yes, there's luck in life.... in humans....

    But there's no luck in the RULES of chess

    other games are lucky by definition (luck is an essential part of their rules or scope)

    chess by definition includes NO luck, if luck has effect on a chess game it's from outside of the game, not from inside factors

    i consider a human player an outside factor... like an alien playing chess would be an outside factor... chess would still be the same, but the alien might have different reactions and "luck" than the human...

    is that simple enough?

     

    Yes, though I prefer to state it like this... There is no luck in chess theoretically; practically, there is.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #109

    landwehr

    only for those whose thinking skills are lacking depth clarity or accuracy

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #110

    Salim64

    if you pay attention to the board then NO

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #111

    Salim64

    if you believe that lucky days exist and you happen to have a match that day then yes

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #112

    TKACHS

    You may get lucky playing against a "made Monday morning" computer!

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #113

    fburton

    landwehr wrote:

    only for those whose thinking skills are lacking depth clarity or accuracy

    Which is everyone - human and, at the moment, computer.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #114

    porthos23

    Isnt every won or lost game based on the fact that one player missed something the other did not?  Yes GM's have a power beyond most, but the same is true with them.  So in a way every game involves luck, which I understand as the lack of perfection.  No game is played 100% perfect, but the ratio of luck to raw skill can fluctuate.  A GM playing a novice will win with 99.999999% skill, but playing against another GM, that number will drop.  Things will be missed just like they are among novice players. The only difference is that the GM's misses are far more advanced.  Things are relative. 

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #115

    porthos23

    naturalproduct wrote:
    porthos23 wrote:

    luck = fundamental law of nature

    what does that mean?

    To me it means that there is no perfection in the universe.  Hence, luck = lack of perfection, or omnipotence = fundamental law of nature

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #116

    Jion_Wansu

    Yes, chess has just as much luck as poker and magic the gathering.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #117

    Eseles

    Jion_Wansu wrote:

    Yes, chess has just as much luck as poker and magic the gathering.

    i wouldn't say that, i usually get better cards and better dice-rolls when playing chess Foot in Mouth

    i mean, we roll the dice and shuffle the pieces and deal them at the start of every chess game, right? Laughing

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #118

    naturalproduct

    Jion_Wansu wrote:

    Yes, chess has just as much luck as poker and magic the gathering.

    I don't know why people call statistics luck....


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