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If you could do simple things without ever messing up you'd have a higher rating.
You're the idiot, troll.
I'm an idiot for making rational answers?
That's some insult there, buddy.
It's for insulting better players and not realising that an even position =/= draw. Not everyone plays like Houdini.
Do you realize what makes a drawn position? It is not the imperfection of the players, but the best play.
A blunder does not count. We choose the best moves for puzzles. It's the same here.
We might as well argue that white is lost because he loses his rook in five moves.
A draw means an even game.
It's similar to how we choose the best moves for a mate, rather than botching the whole thing.
A draw is an even game, but an even game isn't necessarily a draw. Take for instance the d5 push, if allowed, will often equilize the game in the Sicilian. In other words, the game is even. However, the game can hardly be considered a draw.
It is a draw with accurate play. you can't count blunders as "a chance of winning."
That's the logic players of the Parham Attack use.
By the way, an even game at this point of the game is a draw, since almost every move leads to a drawn endgame.
That only counts for the opening and middlegame.
We are now at the verge of the endgame.
Yes, if both sides play accurately, without error, it would likely to end in a draw. However, that's so far into the future that using the term "drawn" to describe a game that's reached a position where black has somehow achieved equality is wrong. Don't really know about users of the Parham Attack, but they don't dictate chess terminology I'm afraid.
That is of course what winning chances means, if your opponent doesn't play accurately. Otherwise it will be a winning position.
You don't have to see into the future. That's not how humans play.
We see the best move through pattern recognition. You just play the best moves one by one.
It's kind of hard not to play accurately. There aren't that many moves that lose the game.
You can't count blunders as part of the equation. A blunder in this position loses instantly.
It would be like claiming that the Parham Attack is a great opening because of amateurish play.
Again, you're going off on weird tangents that are completely irrelevant to what we're trying to say: The term "drawn" as recognized by the chess community is not what you think it means.
I really can't tell if you're doing this intentionally or not.
the point is humans dont play the best move all time as computers have shown us. This idea of chess being a human compeition is key to the game. How easy is it to find a good move or the best move in a given position is critical to success for both sides. If both players find the right moves a draw is likely BUT players usually try to create challenging positions for their opponents then its harder to find the best moves. The problem with some beginner openings like the patzer opening and the grob one is that the black obtains a good game with equal chances to win with out much effort.
As Ken_mom said an equal position means EQUAL chances of a given result (say 30% win for each side and 40% draw in practical play) . This is not the same as a drawn position although amateurs tend to use the terms interchangeably they are not. if a side has better chances that is another issue. White generally is expected to have the better chances to win over black. Whites general plan is to play for 2 results (win/draw) when all 3 results (win/draw/loss) are introduced then players usually agree that something went wrong for white. A few players thrive on this wild style of play such as Tal, Nakamura and Morozevich and intentionally introduce this extra result. most players will do so if things start drifting to positions with unacceptable drawing chances , they will hit a 'random' button to create complications. Their opponents winning chances usually go up but their chances of making a mistake do as well.
I know what it means. Unless we are talking about players rated 1200-1500, it is extremely unlikely that black will lose.
Like I said, it's almost impossible. The moves are extremely natural.
A massive blunder is just a matter of luck.
Put me across the table against Kasparov and even I could draw this.
draw what postition.
massive blunders are NOT luck. its because a player played a bad move due to a lack of skill not some wild interferance of chance.
Since, based on your current ratings Yereslov, you are one of those 1200-1500 players it seems you fall into that category based on your own critiera.
A drawn game is not the same as an equal game. equal game = equal chances for both sides to win/draw/lose. a drawish position just means a larger percentage in the middle but still chances of losing . A dead position or position with no chances of winning is considered drawn but this is based on level too. GMs shake hands over positions they would never shake hands with against amateurs.
? Irony, or are you one of those '1300 rating, 2300 skill' players?
No, it would be like claiming white has winning chances in the Parham. Which he does.
On the Rd5 point, a rook on d5 doesn't really do anything that it doesn't do on d1 anyway, as far as I can see. Nd5 is a monster.
I appreciate the initally sensible discussion on one of my favourite coaching positions (although I'm still not convinced keeping the rooks on is best), so I'll be better equipped to explain this position next time I set it up. Thanks.
I didn't expect my first post on this thread to eventually start a row, though...
You reckoned without....Troll Power!
Is it only trolling when you have a fit?
benws is right. Black's doubled pawns are not that bad. If you mess up he can still win.
how do you report someone?
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