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Draw Etiquette


  • 21 months ago · Quote · #1

    defenserulz

    So, I've been getting draws from people when it seems that the game has swung in my favor. 

    And, to be honest, I've done this as well.  lol.  When I'm losing, I've often offered draws!  hahaha. 

    But on a serious note and in an effort to be fair and courteous, I"m curious what is the standard chess draw etiquette. 

    Is it just plain wrong 100% to offer a draw if you're clearly losing (down in signficant material or under major attack, etc.)?

    And what about people who offer draws and say, "Hey, I have to go to work.  Do you mind if we draw?"  

    I played someone who did that to me, but it was kind of a weird situation.  It wasn't like he ditched me exactly when he started to lose.  We played 4 games and on game 4 he offered a draw CLEARLY when he started to lose in that game.  But we'd played before and I won some and he won some.  So, I think it could have been legit, but then it did do it after I took a piece from him for free.  lol. 

    Anyhow, very curious how you guys handle draws.  Thanks!!  Cool

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #2

    Jenium

    I usually eat yogurt if that happens.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #3

    landwehr

    There is no etiquette for offering draws on internet chess. You can try to bluff your opponent out of a full point by offering a draw at any time. But I offer draws when the outcome of my remaining games can have no impact on the placings. If they decline then I often resign and move on to the next tourney. It is never rude to offer a draw whether your winning or losing, it is a legitimate tactic. Hope this helps your thinking.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #4

    warrior689

    well yeah, drawing offers add a bit of physcology to the game. If you wish to refuse just refuse.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #5

    EricFleet

    wlcgeek wrote:

    So, I've been getting draws from people when it seems that the game has swung in my favor. 

    And, to be honest, I've done this as well.  lol.  When I'm losing, I've often offered draws!  hahaha. 

    But on a serious note and in an effort to be fair and courteous, I"m curious what is the standard chess draw etiquette. 

    Is it just plain wrong 100% to offer a draw if you're clearly losing (down in signficant material or under major attack, etc.)?

    And what about people who offer draws and say, "Hey, I have to go to work.  Do you mind if we draw?"  

    I played someone who did that to me, but it was kind of a weird situation.  It wasn't like he ditched me exactly when he started to lose.  We played 4 games and on game 4 he offered a draw CLEARLY when he started to lose in that game.  But we'd played before and I won some and he won some.  So, I think it could have been legit, but then it did do it after I took a piece from him for free.  lol. 

    Anyhow, very curious how you guys handle draws.  Thanks!! 

    First, I'd recommend playing your games out further... you will likely learn more even if it is a defeat.

    But as for draw etiquette, it is generally the better side that should offer. It is rude for a player who is losing to offer a draw.

    Offer a draw once only or at least several moves between offers and only if the position has changed substantially. Multiple draw offers can be considered an attempt to distract one's opponent.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #6

    Estragon

    EricFleet is quite right, the traditional etiquette has always been that you do not offer a draw with the clearly inferior position, such as behind in material.

    In master chess, it was also traditional not to offer a draw a second time if your first offer is declined, although some would make an exception if the position had changed in a substantive way.

    Offering repeated draws after being refused is rude AND illegal, and you can be subject to penalties for doing it up to loss of the game.

     

    The best ever treatment of that rudeness was by the late Marvin "Marvelous Marv the Magician" Winfree of Virginia and North Carolina, who was once forced into an even ending against an 1800 player who offered a draw at every move for several moves, the first few of which Marv ignored.

    Finally, when he became annoyed, he answered the draw offer by staring directly at his opponent and saying through clenched teeth, "I'm going to grind you down!"  And he did, too! Cool

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #7

    landwehr

    Etiquette may be practised otb but it seems to be a different situation with internet chess. For example, what gm or highly rated or etiquetted player would continue to play a game that is totally lost and merely plays on hoping for an opponents blunder otb. 

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #8

    rosered82

    I'm very new to this game, but as I understand it - if you repeat the same position 3 or more times it is considered a draw. Am I misunderstanding something? If that is correct - what do you do if your opponent won' t accept the draw? Please excuse my ignorance.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #9

    kisspanda19

    rosered82 wrote:

    I'm very new to this game, but as I understand it - if you repeat the same position 3 or more times it is considered a draw. Am I misunderstanding something? If that is correct - what do you do if your opponent won' t accept the draw? Please excuse my ignorance.

    If the position is repeated 3 times, and you click the draw button, the server will end the game as a draw by repetition. Your opponent has no say in this.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #10

    RobJust4fun

    Do what you like, how the opponent takes it is completely up to him/her.

    Nothing is rude unless the other person deems it so and it is all subjective in any case.  You can't control how the other guy/girl reacts, some of the things some think is rude is fine by others, if they don't like you offering draws they can simply opt not to play you again.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #11

    rosered82

    It was an online game and the server didn't, which is what doubly confused me
  • 15 months ago · Quote · #12

    qrayons

    rosered82 wrote:
    It was an online game and the server didn't, which is what doubly confused me

    Then you are probably mistaken about the position having repeated 3 times. There are some subtleties you have to watch out for when determining whether it really is a repeat of a previous position, such which side has the move or the ability to capture en passant. If you post the game we can look at it.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #13

    qrayons

    The only time I offer a draw is if I have the inferior position and I know EXACTLY how to force the draw. Otherwise I wait for my opponent to offer a draw. I’m at low enough of a level that it’s very common for either side to win a drawn position. Offering a draw too early admits that you have no plans or ideas on how to win, which should just motivate your opponent. 

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #14

    rosered82

    How do I post the game?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #15

    Roarmulus

    You should really only offer or accept a draw if a win of either side is impossible. Otherwise what's the point?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #16

    jurassicmark

    There are exceptions in tournament play.  A player with a clear advantage might choose to offer a draw if the half point helps secure his or her desired standing in the tournament.  In an online tournament with simultaneous games, the player might offer multiple draws if the math is in his or her favor.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #17

    Ziggyblitz

    If I feel neither of us can win, and if I out rate my opponent I may offer a draw. If my opponent has the higher rating I usually wait for him to make the offer. BTW I only play Online chess.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #18

    devitoria

    rosered82 wrote:

    How do I post the game?

    There are instructions at http://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/a-guide-to-posting-your-games-on-chesscom


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