Drunk Grandmaster

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5th September 2009, 04:21am
#1
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4057

http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5740

I read this article and was shocked that so little was done to " punish " this professional player for his drunken behavior ! What do you think should be done, if anything ?

5th September 2009, 04:28am
#2
by kohai
chess.com International
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 3930

I posted on this aswell, the news article i saw focused more on his falling asleep during the tournament match though

5th September 2009, 04:31am
#3
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 2753
Suspend him. He showed up drunk showing lack of respect towards everyone around him. Of course I expect either something over the top from FIDE or some warning...
5th September 2009, 04:32am
#4
by Scarblac
Arnhem Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 1822

I think he should have been expelled from the tournament.

5th September 2009, 04:34am
#5
by aansel
Long Island United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 677

First get him help--clearly he has a drinking problem that must be serious. This is not the first time he has shown bad behavior as he did not show up for the last round of the Dresden Olympiad and the French team had to forfeit his board.

Once he has help and fixed his drinking issue, I would fine him and put him on probation for two years.

5th September 2009, 06:13pm
#6
by TadDude
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 999

Looks like there is no punishment. 

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/chess/top-stories/Drunk-GM-apologises-for-his-behaviour/articleshow/4974442.cms

He was allowed to play Round 4. I suppose the punishment may be fewer invitations in the future.

5th September 2009, 06:22pm
#7
by Skwerly
Yucaipa, CA United States
Member Since: Jun 2009
Member Points: 548

I feel it would be different if he was just a "partier", or a young punk flatbiller with a chip on his shoulder and a barbed-wire tattoo on his arm.  As I mentioned in another post about this, he has depression and alcohol issues, and is trying to correct them both.

Give the poor guy a little wiggle room!  Cool

5th September 2009, 06:28pm
#8
by TadDude
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 999

Wrote too soon. Looks like there will be a delay before punishment is decided.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6821924.ece

“What happened is unfortunate, it's in bad taste," he told the newspaper. “It’s in bad taste. Once the event is over, we will hold a meeting and decide how to proceed against this player."

5th September 2009, 06:29pm
#9
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 1455

I don't understand why he needs additional punishment, honest. He loses his game, he suffers the humiliation of looking like a jackass, and he has his misbehavior written about and broadcast around the world. What more do folks want? He didn't hurt anyone but himself. He may have hurt whoever sponsored him into the tournament... but the punishment for that seems pretty clear... he's going to have a harder and harder time getting sponsorships and appearance fees if this behavior continues.

I don't get the pile-on mentality: Oh here's someone having a hard time, let's really kick him while he's down. 

5th September 2009, 06:44pm
#10
by goldendog
beertopia United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 2281

If I were a rules-obeying participant of the competition I'd be aghast at whatever prestige I and the event had taking such a nosedive because we have drunk members, and still more aghast that there is some tolerance for them.

He should have been escorted out of the playing area and prohibited from returning, along with a 5-year ban, for example, from the hosting federation's events. Some kind of ban from FIDE as well.

5th September 2009, 07:02pm
#11
by Chad_10_16
maryland United States
Member Since: Sep 2009
Member Points: 18

hi

5th September 2009, 07:02pm
#12
by Maradonna
Scotland
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 2145

I think goldendog is trying to stir the pot for a wee bit of fun. There's no way you believe what you wrote :)

5th September 2009, 07:18pm
#13
by batgirl
NC United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 4428

I agree with JG27Pyth, though it took me 4 tries to type his name. . . an I'm perfectly sober.

5th September 2009, 07:26pm
#14
by katalyst
United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 11

i don't see the big deal. Big deal if a grandmaster shows up drunk to a competition. It was his choice. He lost a match on time, he didn't do anything to outlandish. Just things that fall under the jurisdictions of a bad cold.

5th September 2009, 07:52pm
#15
by TonicoTinoco
SP Brazil
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 349

He needs help, not punishment!

5th September 2009, 09:03pm
#16
by chessoholicalien
Missouri United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 882

Apparently he was playing the Smirnoff Gambit :-)

5th September 2009, 09:07pm
#17
by SerbianChessStar
Belgrade Serbia
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 2513
chessoholicalien wrote:

Apparently he was playing the Smirnoff Gambit :-)


 I wanan see the game, any1 care post it?

and i wonder what the Smirnoff Gambit is.. does it involve gambiting your queen for control of the center?

5th September 2009, 09:08pm
#18
by ivandh
GA United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 481

Having not read the article or anything else about it, I think he should go free. Next we'll be calling for punishments against stacking chess pieces during tournaments.

5th September 2009, 11:20pm
#19
by C-Saw
northeastern Indiana United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 126

I dont know about going free..I really do think though that having the world know about the situation is probably enough to straighten anyone up. But if not, then he should certainly be banned for a year and then probation . If he really wants to play..he will show it.

6th September 2009, 06:14am
#20
by philtheforce
bristol England
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 1074

Although this does sound slightly funny .... i agree with the fact that there should be some sort of punishment and it does slightly show a lack of respect and it also sets a bad role model for younger chess viewers. Chess and drink are related as in all sports (if you define it as a sport)! What are the FIDE rules on this .... do they have specific rules for this type of behaviour?

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