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ethics of an opponent's technology blunder


  • 21 months ago · Quote · #21

    Estragon

    The main ethical question here was you seeking input on what to do about a game still in progress!

     

    There is NO rule of ethics or sportsmanship that suggests you should "forgive" an opponent's mistakes, no matter how or why they made them.  He blew a winning position? So what?  He only achieved a winning position because YOU previously made mistakes.  Now he makes a mistake and gives it all back.

    It happens.  Get over it.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #22

    N2UHC

    Estragon wrote:

    The main ethical question here was you seeking input on what to do about a game still in progress!

    If he was looking for help in winning a game, I could see that.  But he was asking if he should resign or not, when he apparently was leaning toward resigning.  It's not like he was looking for advice on how to gain an advantage.

    But, it probably is best to not ask about games in progress here.  I might have finished the game and asked about it afterward.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #23

    FooYee

    The question of ethics is what you believe. Is WAR ethical? If you sense you are going to lose, resign!!

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #24

    elig5428

    Isn't a mistake in denoting a conditional move the same exact thing as a strategy based mistake that occurs regular in live tournaments of every kind?  Since these two mistakes are the same, and since him using the technology to program a conditional move he then takes the onus of responsibility to use it properly, and not whine or expect any artificial recovery if and when its disused.  Like if I was playing in a live tournament, and after a fatal move, I looked at my opponent, told him I made a mistake, and then offered a draw expecting him to make it equal that way?  The two types of mistakes, disusing the technology and erring in a tournament, are mistakes of the same kind. There was no duty to offer a draw, I'd say just take the win, and then maybe offer him choice of color in the next couple games to show good sportsmanship.  

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #25

    elig5428

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  • 21 months ago · Quote · #26

    elig5428

    FooYee wrote:

    The question of ethics is what you believe. Is WAR ethical? If you sense you are going to lose, resign!!

    William FooYee, great point about world politics, and war in general, good incite, I will challenge you to correspondence chess in a minute. thanks.....

    Lige

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #27

    MichaelPorcelli

    Anytime there is a technology problem I always offer a draw 

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #28

    eddysallin

    Berder wrote:

    Oh, can you see your opponent's conditional moves before you make your own move?

    no......that would be like seeing his  future moves in advance!

    He had qc4, which is mate in 4, not 8. His blunder, your win. Shake his hand and say he had a bad break and lets play another game----your white.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #29

    mateologist

    Very Interesting you offered a Draw a full Queen ahead in a Won position because your opponent mistyped his final game winning conditional move(mate), and your opponent respectly declined your kind offer and resigned ! BRAVO a Gentilman's agreement TROPHY'S to the BOTH of you !  Cool

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #30

    Estragon

    N2UHC wrote:
    Estragon wrote:

    The main ethical question here was you seeking input on what to do about a game still in progress!

    If he was looking for help in winning a game, I could see that.  But he was asking if he should resign or not, when he apparently was leaning toward resigning.  It's not like he was looking for advice on how to gain an advantage.

    But, it probably is best to not ask about games in progress here.  I might have finished the game and asked about it afterward.

    There is no qualification in the rule:  NO discussion of an ongoing game is permitted.

    And he was seeking advice - what kind of advice is immaterial, but asking whether to offer a draw, resign, or take the win is quite clearly prohibited.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #31

    verybadbishop

    If the majority told this person not to resign, it indirectly tells the player there is something he might've overlooked.  It functions similar to a "lifeline" in a trivia game show, "let me ask the audience" am I on the right direction, without outright telling the answer.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #32

    linuxblue1

    You could offer a draw Laughing

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #33

    ivandh

    verybadbishop wrote:

    If the majority told this person not to resign, it indirectly tells the player there is something he might've overlooked.  It functions similar to a "lifeline" in a trivia game show, "let me ask the audience" am I on the right direction, without outright telling the answer.

    Did you even read the OP?

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #34

    verybadbishop

    ivandh wrote:

    Did you even read the OP?

    Yes, I was broadening the issue of advice over active games in general, even if it didn't apply to this particular game, which had good sportsmanship intentions between both players. 

    Good sportsmanship affords exceptions to the rules, and so I'd have to agree with others on this one.  We shouldn't forget the spirit of the rules, and not blindly cite or enforce it.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #35

    ivandh

    I agree with that, it is just a game and if the OP wants to avoid being unsporting, all the best.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #36

    elig5428

    Well back in the 1600s the both of them would have just settled this preposterous quarrel with a duel, and in my view that would have been as equally okay.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #37

    linuxblue1

    Then: a duel with pistols

    Now: a duel with World of Warcraft for a level 50 wizard with extra DLC Laughing

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #38

    205thsq

    dude i mouse slip all the time and get nothing but mocked from my opponents, no quarter is given to me hense i give no quarter, and have been known to get 3 queens and under promote pieces to people who refuse to resign... making me think thru not letting someone stalemate pisses me off!

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #39

    elig5428

    linuxblue1 wrote:

    Then: a duel with pistols

    Now: a duel with World of Warcraft for a level 50 wizard with extra DLC

    yeah, but none of that fake dungeons and dragons sh!@#, I'd prefer to old style dueling with pistol.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #40

    chessmaster102

    dispite what others are saying i would accept the loss. If you have to ask this then you know how dishonorable it is to win that way. Dont mean to get all moral on you but its only right its like me claiming a win agains someone cause there flag just fell on there clock even though it was mate in 2 for the other guy.Alot of people seem to forget that chess IS A GENTLEMENS GAME the folks saying to take the win are those who value there rating more than the spirit of the game.


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