is it bad etiquit to anounce your mate...    like    "Mate in 5"  or is it a non factor?

You'd want to be damn sure of yourself, otherwise you'll look like a fool.

I have a higher rated player who plays me every now and again to check on my progress and he sometimes does that.  Whilst i quite enjoy looking for it, maybe that would not always be the case with other players.

Try reading through this thread, it might help

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/calling-the-game 

In a casual game with friends it may be proper etiquette. The rule at this site; is to not discuss (forward moves) a game in progress. 

Bad etiquit.

Kaniksu wrote: In a casual game with friends it may be proper etiquette. The rule at this site; is to not discuss (forward moves) a game in progress. 

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 Um..  I think it's against the rules to discuss a game in progress with someone other than your opponent, but announcing mate would not fall into that category.  If you check the thread that kohai pasted above, you'll see that Erik's feeling was that announcing mate was OK from a traditional point of view, except for the fact that there are a lot of people here who might take it in the wrong spirit.

If you have one on me, please tell me.  I'd rather resign gracefully than take my poor king for a ride to the gallows!  Some people like to play it out though, and I appreciate that.  That's why I won't usually state my mates unless I'm playing someone I know well.  Seems only fair.

All in all, even if you are right... you shouldn't say anything.  If they see it then they might resign and then you can see that they are a good player since they "now" saw it coming.  If you say mate in 5 then you are sort of putting a slap to their face.

 Once you get mate, you can tell the person after the game that you saw the 5 move mate and discuss it then.

thanks for the link kohai... i couldn't find a thread on the subject myself... (I must not have looked very hard)...    although  there is an interesting twist...    lets say you have mate in five... and your oppenent starts talking about rebuilding now that your attack it over...  should you correct him?  a rule of thumb i guess is if you have to ask, don't do it... but i think i'd like to be told im not going to get the chance in words rather than moves...  (i feel like less of an idiot for not seeing the imminent death)

9. Mate in 14: Call the cops. 

 Nice scale King William... 

 

DeepGreene wrote: 9. Mate in 14: Call the cops. 

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I think it's ok if your opponent is a friend and your both playing helping each other improve.

Why would you discuss a move to opponent? It depends on the purpose.

I play with a friend and sometimes i discuss or openly say my moves, I try to do this at times because i want to see reply to my moves that I'm not expecting, and it helps me. but during tournament, i dare not.... not a friendly game anymore... it's a competition.

verbal discussion with a friend is okey, unless abused. what's worst is that other opponent could possibly be using chess engines in their games, and i don't care, it's their loss not mine... there's no learning in cheating, just fooling oneself.

Respect is earned thru constant communications and proper etiquete not just high ratings, others can have high ratings using chess engines while playing.

 

 

I think it's just fine, just as long as you are sure of yourself.

Michael_Sarmiento wrote:

I think it's ok if your opponent is a friend and your both playing helping each other improve.

Why would you discuss a move to opponent? It depends on the purpose.

I play with a friend and sometimes i discuss or openly say my moves, I try to do this at times because i want to see reply to my moves that I'm not expecting, and it helps me. but during tournament, i dare not.... not a friendly game anymore... it's a competition.

verbal discussion with a friend is okey, unless abused. what's worst is that other opponent could possibly be using chess engines in their games, and i don't care, it's their loss not mine... there's no learning in cheating, just fooling oneself.

Respect is earned thru constant communications and proper etiquete not just high ratings, others can have high ratings using chess engines while playing.

 

 

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 that got interestingly off topic...   

I don't believe there's a cut-and-dried answer to this question as it depends heavily upon (a) the conditions under which the game is being played and (b) the level of rapport you already have (PRIOR to the game) with your opponent.

 

Tournament play? Forget it. Never do it. Not even if it's mate in one.

 

There's also the slim (but very real) probability that you have overlooked something. By announcing the mate, your opponent will become immediately aware of the severity of his position and will immediately scrutinize the board for a chance of either proving you wrong or forcing a draw/stalemate. If finds the secret back door you'll either take a good ribbing for it (unrated game) or you'll lose rating points that should've been yours (tournament/rated play).

excelguru,  i think you missed King William's scale...  you should check it out... i think you'd like it... ; )

Rael wrote:

I'm really sorry, I hate pointing out spelling, so, in truth, I'm not really calling you on it. But please, please, find out the proper spelling of "etiquit".

 

/shudder. 

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 This comment is a prime example of poor etiquit.

I generally refrain from doing so to avoid potentially coming across as a jackass.  There's no way to convey tone via the internet, so they may take it one of many ways depending on their disposition at that moment in time.

I had taken the spelling in a humorous spirit.No grammar please.

re the mate in 5, that seems a long way ahead to me LOL

smacks of arrogance, sorry. 

I have been surprised by the nuances of tone that are available on  the net; something I hadn`t expected and which has huge potential and to enhance communication and to entertain.

So there`s no need to SHOUT - just kidding :-)

and having spotted the interesting use of language, I may feel *smug* 

but, I`m more interested in whether or not this is an extension of texting, or is it unique to the net ??!!

one thing I have noticed is that chat here (chess) is much more polite and politically correct than it is on the group threads, where things are said very impolitely at times.haha  verrry interesting:but schtupid