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19th June 2009, 10:18am
#1
by Garymossu
Brooklyn United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 274

2 0 quick.  I was creaming him.  And then he started checking me with his Queen.  I think 3 in a row.  Why wasn't the game called draw?

Am i counting correctly?

What should i have done to avoid even the draw?

Is this a legitimate strategy in timed games?

19th June 2009, 10:30am
#2
by moopster
Evanston, IL United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 233

To get a draw after a threefold repitition, you have to claim it as such by pressing the draw button.

And yes, perpetual check in order to get a draw is a legitimate strategy, there are some safeguards against winning with it (like being able to claim a draw)

also, 24. Qd4 would have cemented your win as this move forces a queen trade.

19th June 2009, 10:34am
#3
by Garymossu
Brooklyn United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 274

I need to claim it?  The computer will then grant it?  Are you sure?  Shouldn't it happen automatically?  Like the 50 move rule?

19th June 2009, 10:36am
#4
by moopster
Evanston, IL United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 233

No, it is not automatic because chess rules are that you have the right to CLAIM a draw after a three move repitition, it is not automatically a draw (like a stalemate or just two kings)

19th June 2009, 10:37am
#5
by Covus
New York City United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 115

Should have got that Rook out to protect your King, you had it pretty much sewn up. That's why 2 quick is tough when you need a minute to think.

19th June 2009, 10:38am
#6
by Tricklev
Sweden
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 2190

I´m pretty sure you have to claim the 50move draw aswell, aren´t you?

19th June 2009, 10:39am
#7
by moopster
Evanston, IL United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 233

dunno, never got into that situation on chess.com

19th June 2009, 10:49am
#8
by Garymossu
Brooklyn United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 274

The computer will automatically give it to me when i press the draw button?

Could you post the link that says this please, somebody.

19th June 2009, 10:55am
#9
by Tricklev
Sweden
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 2190

I would but I´m afraid you´d feel the need to try and put me in my place again.

19th June 2009, 11:00am
#10
by Garymossu
Brooklyn United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 274
Tricklev wrote:

I would but I´m afraid you´d feel the need to try and put me in my place again.


Maybe you deserved it.  No?  I don't really remember.  Now is your chance to take revenge?  You want to remind me what your first words were that i took issue with?

19th June 2009, 11:05am
#11
by Tricklev
Sweden
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 2190

Not really, I don´t find it that interesting.

It seems that you don´t have to claim the 50 move one, it occours automaticly, you do however need to claim when there´s a treefold repetition.

 

Draws

Occasionally chess games do not end with a winner, but with a draw. There are 5 reasons why a chess game may end in a draw:

  1. The position reaches a stalemate where it is one player’s turn to move, but his king is NOT in check and yet he does not have another legal move
  2. The players may simply agree to a draw and stop playing
  3. There are not enough pieces on the board to force a checkmate (example: a king and a bishop vs. a king)
  4. A player declares a draw if the same exact position is repeated three times (though not necessarily three times in a row)
  5. Fifty consecutive moves have been played where neither player has moved a pawn or captured a piece.

http://www.chess.com/learn-how-to-play-chess.html#draws

 

But sure, if you feel the need to grab the hatchet again, please do tell me what ticks you off.

19th June 2009, 11:09am
#12
by Garymossu
Brooklyn United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 274

Thank you.  Your a good man.  I always did like you.  Smile

(if i don't remember what it was how bad could it have been?)

Really, i appreciate your forgivingness (whether i truly need it or not) and bestowal of knowledge.

Friends?

19th June 2009, 11:11am
#13
by Garymossu
Brooklyn United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 274

A player declares a draw if the same exact position is repeated three times (though not necessarily three times in a row).

 

Now how does this exacty work on Chess.com?

19th June 2009, 11:13am
#14
by Tricklev
Sweden
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 2190

On correspondance (online) games, the flag text actually changes from "offer Draw" to "Claim draw", on live games though you have to keep the repetition in mind yourself, and press the offer draw button when you know the threefold repetition has been reached.


I´m also pretty sure that if you don´t claim it on the right move, you will loose the ability to do so.

19th June 2009, 11:17am
#15
by Garymossu
Brooklyn United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 274

Thank you again.  And take care.

20th June 2009, 05:02pm
#16
by tigergutt
Trondheim Norway
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 712

on chess.com people can decline the draw it does not matter if its third time or not. as soon as you move into the position for the third time he just moves before you can press the drawbutton and then there is a bug or something that gives him possibility to decline it. its also impossible to be quicker than him because he can premove the moves but you cant premove a drawoffer. would have been better if it was anything like otb. there if you claim threefoldrepetition aftre your move you get it nomatter what. your opponent cant move in a hurry and say , sorry i decline it:)

20th June 2009, 07:19pm
#17
by Garymossu
Brooklyn United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 274
tigergutt wrote:

on chess.com people can decline the draw it does not matter if its third time or not. as soon as you move into the position for the third time he just moves before you can press the drawbutton and then there is a bug or something that gives him possibility to decline it. its also impossible to be quicker than him because he can premove the moves but you cant premove a drawoffer. would have been better if it was anything like otb. there if you claim threefoldrepetition aftre your move you get it nomatter what. your opponent cant move in a hurry and say , sorry i decline it:)


So then I declare that game a DRAW!!!
20th June 2009, 07:59pm
#18
by WanderingWinder
United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 1109

No, this glitch is something that I've never experienced. You should have just clicked the draw button, and it would have claimed it for you. I'm not sure what he's talking about exactly, actually, but I've claimed this craw several times. Furthermore, your count of checks is not accurate for threefold repetition purposes. It doesn't matter that he's checked you three times in a row, it matters whether the exact same position has come up three times. Therefore the first time you could have claimed the draw is after his 39th move, on your 40th.

 

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