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Why is it an important question ?
Fischer was illegitimate; the surname of his biological father wasn't Fischer.
Atos, pull your head out---take a deep breath of fresh air---take two aspirin---go lay down. You will feel better tomorrow.
The name of his father on his birth certificate was Hans Gerhardt Fischer. Everything other than that is pure speculation.
Fischer was born in 1943. His mother and H.G. Fischer had not met each other since 1939 when she returned to the US, while he never entered the US. The identity of the biological father might be a matter of speculation, but the fact that it wasn't the man his mother was officially married to isn't.
These are simple facts, and rather trivial at that. I'll not reply to any further missives.
Atos, the only thing trivial in our discussion is you. When you say you're not going to answer my posts---That'll be the day!
I give you a legal document, Fischer's birth certificate---and you give me speculation. Anybody can answer speculation with speculation.
How do you know GH Fischer never entered the US after 1939? Have you ever heard of someone entering the US illegally. My God, our borders are like sieves today after 10 years of extensive terrorist activity. Do you think they were tighter 70 years ago? Maybe Regina traveled to meet him somewhere. Maybe they rendezvoused in Canada or Mexico or even South America. Thats where HG Fischer wound up at---Chile. They were both world travelers. Regina had a lot of freedom in 42'. Her father, Jacob Wender, was taking care of Joan (her daughter). We know how Regina love to travel. After coming to America she traveled the East coast, the West coast and points in between.
A birth certificate is a legal document---its like money in the bank! I'm giving you coin of the realm and you're giving me IOUs.
Fezzik, I actually do believe there is strong speculation that someone else was Fischer's father, but it is speculation. A case in point, nobody has ever referred to Fischer as a bastard or illegitimate. With all the Fischer haters out there---dont you think thats peculiar. Of the many books about Fischer---no one has ever called him a bastard. A birth certificate is a valid way to prove you are who you say you are.
You're right that I dont believe much of what I read especially when I'm reading guys like you. Your post are so full of holes when it comes to chess---I usually just disregard them.
Hey crazychessplaya, Why would your parents name you megatron? Do you guys have indoor plumbing yet?
My posts are always full of holes, but that's all part of the fun
I don't doubt that my analyses are full of holes. But I put out my analysis so that others can judge it and I can then improve my game.
But you're obviously so much better that my analysis isn't worth your time. Kinda sad really. The GMs I've met have all been sharks when it came to analysis and tore into anything they thought might be wrong. I learn a lot from IMs and GMs. I guess I'm too far beneath you to learn from you.
Fezzik, I dont like putting people down---especially chess players. But if you want to talk chess---OK. I've never seen any of your analysis. I'm not interested in your analysis. I have a lot of distrust about guys who drop names like you do. Someone who says they hang around with a lot of GMs and IMS ---probably dont. Just the way you talk chess convinces me you dont have a very high chess IQ.
Bobby Fischer said he could tell if a guy was good at chess by the way he handled the pieces. I believe that myself--- Just the way a player captured a piece or moved a piece from one square to another. I also believe I can tell if a guy knows chess by reading his post on a chess site. There are certain insignificant things that stand out that indicates he knows chess or he doesn't know chess. There are several on this site who impress me as being knowledgeable. I wont mention their names as they probably would not like being associated with me.
Fezzik, keep hanging around those GMs and IMs and something might rub off----it hasn't yet but it may someday.
<Bobby Fischer said he could tell if a guy was good at chess by the way he "HANDLED THE PIECES". I believe that myself--- Just the way a player captured a piece or moved a piece from one square to another.>
lol Personally I've always thought that phrase would be more synonymous with "Developed, coordinated or utilized ... his Pieces" rather than: "juggled, fondled, or shook-hands with ... his pieces" !?
But that Fischer Was an Innovator
Really? My impression was the exact opposite. Or are you joking?
Kasparov's grandfather and Genrikh Kasparyan's father come from the same village of Nagorno-Karabakh (Armenia) around town of Gadrut.
Now this gives us a brand new trolling opportunity!
The Houska's in England are a big family of chess players. The father is a normal club player but has an active IM for a daughter and a retired IM for a son. The other two daughters are also club players and I got to play one once at a county game.
We have a number of brothers playing in the UK as titled players.
GM Nick Pert is the twin brother of IM Richard Pert
IM James Cobb and IM Charles Cobb
According to a Chessbase article dated April 1st, Magnus Carlsen and Matt Damon are cousins.
Well, for someone who derides speculation so much, you sure do engage in a lot of it!
I had thought it was already well known in chess circles about Fischer's real father. But, here is the wiki for those of you with catching up to do:
"Government documents show that Hans-Gerhardt Fischer never entered the United States, having been refused admission by U.S. immigration officials because of alleged Communist sympathies. Regina and Nemenyi were reported to have had an affair in 1942. Additionally, Paul Nemenyi made monthly child support payments to her, and paid for Fischer's schooling until his own death in 1952. Nemenyi also lodged complaints with social workers saying he was concerned about the way that Regina was raising the child, on one occasion breaking down in tears when making the complaints. Separately, Bobby later told the Hungarian chess player Zita Rajcsanyi that Paul Nemenyi would sometimes show up at the family's Brooklyn apartment and take him on outings. After Paul Nemenyi died, in 1952, Regina Fischer wrote a letter to Paul Nemenyi's first son (Peter), asking if Paul had left money for Bobby in his will: "Bobby was sick 2 days with fever and sore throat and of course a doctor or medicine was out of the question. I don't think Paul would have wanted to leave Bobby this way and would ask you most urgently to let me know if Paul left anything for Bobby." Regina also told a social worker that the last time she had ever seen Hans-Gerhardt Fischer was 1939, four years before Bobby was born. On another occasion, she told the social worker she had traveled to Mexico to see Hans-Gerhardt in June 1942, and that Bobby was conceived during that meeting. According to Bobby Fischer's brother-in-law, Russell Targ, who was married to Bobby's half-sister, Joan, for 40 years, Regina concealed the fact that Nemenyi was Bobby's father because she wanted to avoid the stigma of an out-of-wedlock birth."
And here is a trivia question for you:
Which one is Bobby Fischer, and which one is Paul Nemenyi?
(Nemenyi is the one on the right)
Of course, for comparison, here is Gerhardt-Fischer
But if you dont believe Regina, not sure how to help. But at this point you have the burden of speculation, I think.
You could put Regina's hair on Bobby and it would be difficult to tell them apart---therefore, he recieved his looks from his mother. Not speculation---actuality.
smyslov's father beat alekhine in a simul in 1915
One obvious father-son pairing is Sunil Weeramantry and Hikaru Nakamura.
Hikaru is his son
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