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5th November 2008, 10:29am
#1
by dsarkar
United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 9104

When I joined with default rating of 1200, initially opponents were pushovers. Now in my last game with an oppo of 1600+ I just barely managed to win (suddenly saw a line to get his queen). I set up 2 traps - he fell in neither (third I made it appear like an oversight on my part by which he would get a piece by a queen fork, and he fell for it)! Even after losing the exchange, he put up a tremendous fight. I was afraid it would go into endgames - but thankfully it did not (he had a rook and a bishop (bishop pair) and two pawns for my queen, then only 1 bishop and 2 pawns, then only bishop). I infer that my true rating may be somewhere between 1600-1800. Am I right, or my self assessment is wrong?

Thanks in advance for any input.

5th November 2008, 10:40am
#2
by CarlMI
White Post, VA United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 934

Just realize your Chess.com rating is not the same as your USCF/BCF/FIDE/ICCF, etc. rating.

5th November 2008, 10:45am
#3
by dsarkar
United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 9104

I agree! Thanks CarlMI

5th November 2008, 10:45am
#4
by Housewrecker
State College United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 63

I can't really comment on anything because who knows if your opponents "true" rating is 1600. The more games you play, the more accurate your chess.com rating will become. But CarlMI is right, it only reflects your true chess.com rating.

5th November 2008, 10:57am
#5
by Manchero
Nagoya Japan
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 3280

how much do different ratings normally vary? i.e. chess.com compared to fide rating?

5th November 2008, 11:01am
#6
by Maradonna
Scotland
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 2566

Once you've played a good few games. Lets just say 20, fo the sake of throwing a number out there. And you opponent rating is almost the same as you actual rating. Then it should be accurate. I've played 200 games, my rating has bounced between 1500-1550 for 10 months and my average opponent rating bounces around the same. So, I'm confident that my chess.com rating is between 1500-1550.

If I had looked at your rating just out of noseyness, I would have thought that you were overrated at the moment. But it's early days, too hard to tell.

5th November 2008, 11:13am
#7
by Duffer1965
New York, New York United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 475

Under the Glicko system used on this site, you get closer to your "true" rating as your RD gets smaller. If you play more and more games, without significant time off between, your RD will get smaller. And the RD of your opponent helps to avoid the problem of not really knowing what his or her "true" rating is.

5th November 2008, 12:00pm
#8
by dsarkar
United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 9104

Thank you all for your opinions! Housewrecker, I think you are right - my opponent's true rating is probably higher than what he currently has - apparent from his loss-list (he lost to 1700+ and 2000+ oppo).

5th November 2008, 12:45pm
#9
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 4407

Your Glicko RD is 155. That means your true rating is likely in the range 1563-1873.

Manchero> i.e. chess.com compared to fide rating?

Correspondence chess and OTB chess differ in too many ways for them to be a useful comparison--time pressure, access to analysis board, access to databases, etc. I know someone rated 1000 points higher here than OTB. But in general, the difference is less than 300 points. If you're training for OTB, you might prefer live chess (30+5).

5th November 2008, 01:15pm
#10
by bifon
Great Britain
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 5

ive played nearly 200 games i believe my rating is above 1500 but below 1700 at present im about 1580 ,i play live chess in england and am rated about 80 ecf,at best i was just over 100 which is still fairly weak.

5th November 2008, 01:29pm
#11
by fzweb
My home Australia
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 1140

I don't really like the fact that some people study theory for 8 hours every day, but when into unknown lines, they bluff. And also when some good players play stupid opening lines. I think that for a true rating, there should be two ratings assigned to each player.

5th November 2008, 02:00pm
#12
by Maradonna
Scotland
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 2566
bifon wrote:

ive played nearly 200 games i believe my rating is above 1500 but below 1700 at present im about 1580 ,i play live chess in england and am rated about 80 ecf,at best i was just over 100 which is still fairly weak.


 I had a look at the ECF website but could not find a comversion table. Do you have any idea what 80 ecf is in comparision to other rating systems?

5th November 2008, 02:09pm
#13
by dsarkar
United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 9104

Thanks guys you were awsome!

5th November 2008, 06:11pm
#14
by Hugh_T_Patterson
San Francisco, CA United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1983

This was very useful. I was wondering when your rating would start to level out and average.

5th November 2008, 11:21pm
#15
by dsarkar
United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 9104

Just thinking out aloud - Erik, wouldn't it be nice if a guy's rating was written as (1718±165) instead of simply (1718) ? Thanks.

25th February 2009, 04:45pm
#16
by KillaBeez
Kansas United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 4250

That would be awesome if we got to use differential calculus to find our true ratings.  Sort of like simulating our rating attained so far by graphing which can be done by finding a certain regression.  Then you could find the derivative to approximate the upcoming change in rating.  Really farfetched and awful idea, but it sounds scientific. Laughing

25th February 2009, 08:00pm
#17
by I_am_Boo-Urns
SW Canada
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 70

x equals negative-b, plus\minues the square root of b-squared - 4ac, all over 2a

No, wait . . it's the other one . .  hmmmm.  Killa, now you've got me all confused :p

26th February 2009, 11:49am
#18
by anonym
Katzentuxburgh United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 274
Maradonna wrote:

 I had a look at the ECF website but could not find a comversion table. Do you have any idea what 80 ecf is in comparision to other rating systems?


There is a conversion table in de la Maza's "Rapid Chess Improvement" (Everyman Chess, 2002, p.13):::

USCF Moniker   USCF     FIDE     BCF

Class E             1000       900       37.5

Class D             1200      1100      62.5

Class C             1400      1300      87.5

Class B             1600      1500      112.5

Class A             1800      1700      137.5

Expert             2000       1900      162.5

Master/NM       2200       2100      187.5

26th February 2009, 11:56am
#19
by dsachs
ottawa Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 304

Now the trick is to challenge yourself to play better chess. I think the idea of a 'true rating' indicates stagnation. Onward and upward!

26th February 2009, 12:12pm
#20
by Gwkiller69
Uzhnoukrainsk Ukraine
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 12

On chess.com I have around 1400 raiting, but sometimes I lose to 1200-raiting, and sometimes I win against people that have 1600+ raiting, so you can't tell from one game...if you play 50-100 games, then you will see your true raiting.

 

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