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Fischer vs. Kasparov


  • 2 years ago · #821

    ponz111

    Fischer was not a person most people could tolerate. However he was a genius at chess and either he or Kasporov are the greatest or best player ever.

    Hard to compare him against Karparov as Kasparov had the data bases and chess playing computers plus others helping him and he was a genius with these helps.

    Fisher was a genius without these helps--on his own - so are you going to have Kasparov play Fischer without his helps or  are you going to have Fischer play Kasparov with these helps?

    With both having the helps Kasparov wins.  With both "on their own" Fishcher wins.

  • 2 years ago · #822

    WestofHollywood

    JeffGreen333 wrote:

    What's sad is how Bobby Fischer got all of us older Americans into chess and how we all looked up to him as an idol when we were kids, only to find out later that he was an insane racist.  After watching some documentary videos of Bobby, I lost all respect for the man.  He was very self-centered, had no social skills, was a loner, a racist and a conspiracy nut case.  All he could do was play chess.  I don't think he ever held a real job in his entire life.  So if they ever do get to play each other, beyond the grave, Go Kasparov !!!  

    Is being a world class grandmaster a real job?

  • 2 years ago · #823

    netzach

    So any extremists, traitors, racists or undesirables we find within our countries or federations should have their passports taken away & be disowned ?

    ( But let's retain acclaim for any sporting-successes achieved by them as a national-triumph. )

  • 2 years ago · #824

    TheGrobe

    WestofHollywood wrote:
    JeffGreen333 wrote:

    What's sad is how Bobby Fischer got all of us older Americans into chess and how we all looked up to him as an idol when we were kids, only to find out later that he was an insane racist.  After watching some documentary videos of Bobby, I lost all respect for the man.  He was very self-centered, had no social skills, was a loner, a racist and a conspiracy nut case.  All he could do was play chess.  I don't think he ever held a real job in his entire life.  So if they ever do get to play each other, beyond the grave, Go Kasparov !!!  

    Is being a world class grandmaster a real job?

    It's a hell of a lot of work, anyway.

  • 2 years ago · #825

    ilikeflags

    jobs are lame, ask woodie.

  • 2 years ago · #826

    nameno1had

    pfren wrote:
    slowman2 wrote:

    America made Fischer what he became

    You couldn't be more wrong.

    I think it might be fair to say, much of the rest of the chess playing world probably laughed at and mocked the USCF, until Fischer made them formidable in his day.

  • 2 years ago · #827

    nameno1had

    netzach wrote:

    So any extremists, traitors, racists or undesirables we find within our countries or federations should have their passports taken away & be disowned ?

    ( But let's retain acclaim for any sporting-successes achieved by them as a national-triumph. )

    ...or have a fortune he deserved to make, unjustly taken away?

    What bass turds are some of those who interpret and uphold the laws in this country.

  • 2 years ago · #828

    netzach

    Well don't know where you draw those conclusions from.

    He '' encouraged '' lot's of American's to take up the game sure & camapaigned worldwide for financial recognition for professional-chess players.

    Yet my understanding was the USCF annoyed at him also at the time for not defending his US title ?

    (In any case USCF has no great importance except for Americans...)

    I think the US should make a gesture for the sake of chess & integrity & re-instate his citizenship posthumously.

  • 2 years ago · #829

    nameno1had

    netzach wrote:

    Well don't know where you draw those conclusions from.

    He '' encouraged '' lot's of American's to take up the game sure & camapaigned worldwide for financial recognition for professional-chess players.

    Yet my understanding was the USCF annoyed at him also at the time for not defending his US title ?

    (In any case USCF has no great importance except for Americans...)

    I think the US should make a gesture for the sake of chess & integrity & re-instate his citizenship posthumously.

    If you were wondering where my conclusions came from, I was referring to the 5 million dollar prize Fischer was denied by the US, due to the sanction laws at the time he played his rematch with Spassky. I was also referring to the mockery and laughter of the Soviet chess machine specifically, at our attempts to compete with them on the world stage, until Fischer came along.

  • 2 years ago · #830

    ilikeflags

    every post richard comes up with is worse than the one before.  or in his case worst...

  • 2 years ago · #831

    nameno1had

    ilikeflags wrote:

    every post richard comes up with is worse than the one before.  or in his case worst...

    Would you rather they all be the same? Anything for you ...

  • 2 years ago · #832

    netzach

    nameno1had wrote:
    netzach wrote:

    Well don't know where you draw those conclusions from.

    He '' encouraged '' lot's of American's to take up the game sure & camapaigned worldwide for financial recognition for professional-chess players.

    Yet my understanding was the USCF annoyed at him also at the time for not defending his US title ?

    (In any case USCF has no great importance except for Americans...)

    I think the US should make a gesture for the sake of chess & integrity & re-instate his citizenship posthumously.

    If you were wondering where my conclusions came from, I was referring to the 5 million dollar prize Fischer was denied by the US, due to the sanction laws at the time he played his rematch with Spassky. I was also referring to the mockery and laughter of the Soviet chess machine specifically, at our attempts to compete with them on the world stage, until Fischer came along.

    Okay but was this '' mockery & laughter '' real ? You have evidence of that ?? Or was it simply the paranoia & politics of the time. Certainly is well-documented that Spassky treated Fischer repectfully & with good-manners in Iceland yet he barely received that in return. Though always '' chess '' was respected. The rest is just gamesmanship & propoganda.

  • 2 years ago · #833

    nameno1had

    ilikeflags wrote:

    every post richard comes up with is worse than the one before.  or in his case worst...

    Did I ever tell you my real middle name isn't Richard? You really shouldn't be so gullible Flagsy...

  • 2 years ago · #834

    nameno1had

    netzach wrote:
    nameno1had wrote:
    netzach wrote:

    Well don't know where you draw those conclusions from.

    He '' encouraged '' lot's of American's to take up the game sure & camapaigned worldwide for financial recognition for professional-chess players.

    Yet my understanding was the USCF annoyed at him also at the time for not defending his US title ?

    (In any case USCF has no great importance except for Americans...)

    I think the US should make a gesture for the sake of chess & integrity & re-instate his citizenship posthumously.

    If you were wondering where my conclusions came from, I was referring to the 5 million dollar prize Fischer was denied by the US, due to the sanction laws at the time he played his rematch with Spassky. I was also referring to the mockery and laughter of the Soviet chess machine specifically, at our attempts to compete with them on the world stage, until Fischer came along.

    Okay but was this '' mockery & laughter '' real ? You have evidence of that ?? Or was it simply the paranoia & politics of the time. Certainly is well-documented that Spassky treated Fischer repectfully in Iceland & he barely gave that in return. Though always '' chess '' was respected. The rest is just gamesmanship & propoganda.

    Knowing the Soviet pride, it stands to reason they scoffed, laughed and enjoyed the US being lesser in chess.

    I have a few rhetorical question for you...

    If a tree falls in the woods, does it make any sound? Did you need to hear it, in order to say you knew if certainly made sound ? Does one necessarily need to be an eye witness to know the truth about something?

    One of the reasons the Soviets chose to make chess such an important part of their society, was to encourage their people to use their brains. They decided they would need to be as educated and intelligent as possible to give them the best chance, to be the greatest nation on Earth. They wanted to be the dominant world super power. It is precisely why the chose to compete with the USA in everyway so shrewdly. They were trying to out do their cheif competition. Were you not born yet during the cold war? Maybe that explains it...

    As an american citizen, I can certainly say I have heard derogatory things said by american citizens about the Soviets, that included mockery and laughter. Do you really expect me to believe it was never reciprocated, simply because I never heard it with my own ears? How stupid do you think I am?

  • 2 years ago · #835

    netzach

    But you don't '' know '' do you. Hence you are conjecturing & proffering opinion that is factually wrong..

    Your speech above is overtly-political for this forum so cannot discuuss this here with you.

  • 2 years ago · #836

    nameno1had

    netzach wrote:

    But you don't '' know '' do you so you are conjecturing & proffering opinion that is factually wrong..

    Is a scientist wrong if he has a theory or a hypothesis? Just because someone doesn't witness an event first hand, doesn't mean they don't know the truth. If you really believe that gibberish your spouting, you need to get out more and see if you own opinions are true or not...do you have any tangible proof to the contrary to what I am saying or just your own thoeries and conjectures...if not piss off dude...

  • 2 years ago · #837

    chesspooljuly13

    Fischer wouldn't want to be granted U.S. citizenship posthumously. He hated the U.S. Doing that would only disrespect his wishes. And I doubt there'd be a groundswell of support for the idea given Fischer's despicable comments after 9/11

  • 2 years ago · #838

    netzach

    Irrelevant.

    Your speech also overtly-political...

  • 2 years ago · #839

    netzach

    nameno1had wrote:
    netzach wrote:

    But you don't '' know '' do you so you are conjecturing & proffering opinion that is factually wrong..

    Is a scientist wrong if he has a theory or a hypothesis? Just because someone doesn't witness an event first hand, doesn't mean they don't know the truth. If you really believe that gibberish your spouting, you need to get out more and see if you own opinions are true or not...do you have any tangible proof to the contrary to what I am saying or just your own thoeries and conjectures...if not piss off dude...

  • 2 years ago · #840

    chesspooljuly13

    How is that irrelevant (if your post was directed at me?) You're advocating for something Fischet (and probably most Americans) wouldn't want.


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