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Fischer vs. Kasparov


  • 17 months ago · #581

    iChess8

    Bobby Fischer: he excelled in all aspects of the game

  • 17 months ago · #582

    chessoholicalien

    quequeg wrote:

    while Capablanca (real name John Whitehead)


     

    Actually it's "Joseph Ralf Whitehead"...

  • 17 months ago · #583

    AndyClifton

    Sofademon wrote:

    They are so hard to compare. 


    Then why are they always being compared here? Wink

  • 17 months ago · #584

    AndyClifton

    iChess8 wrote:

    Bobby Fischer: he excelled in all aspects of the game


    Except showing up to play.

  • 16 months ago · #585

    TheProfessor

    If Fischer had access to all the computers now he would beat Kasparov because you would know that he would study 24/7  to do so.

  • 16 months ago · #586

    TheProfessor

    PawnPusher4 wrote:

    i always wonderd about this question, but since kasparov is the most resent one he is probably more up to date with tactics and straergy 


     But like I said - Fischer would study to become more up-to-date and would have the edge over Kasparov.

  • 16 months ago · #587

    uhohspaghettio

    theproffesor wrote:
    PawnPusher4 wrote:

    i always wonderd about this question, but since kasparov is the most resent one he is probably more up to date with tactics and straergy 


     But like I said - Fischer would study to become more up-to-date and would have the edge over Kasparov.


    But Fischer didn't like to study so much, before he died he said it was bad enough back when he was doing it and "now it's a joke". If you listen to what Fischer is saying, he is telling you that the reason he quit when he did is mainly because of the rapidly expanding opening theory that he had no interest in keeping up with anymore (on a world class level). That's why he invented Fischer Random.    

  • 15 months ago · #588

    TheProfessor

    uhohspaghettio wrote:
    theproffesor wrote:
    PawnPusher4 wrote:

    i always wonderd about this question, but since kasparov is the most resent one he is probably more up to date with tactics and straergy 


     But like I said - Fischer would study to become more up-to-date and would have the edge over Kasparov.


    But Fischer didn't like to study so much, before he died he said it was bad enough back when he was doing it and "now it's a joke". If you listen to what Fischer is saying, he is telling you that the reason he quit when he did is mainly because of the rapidly expanding opening theory that he had no interest in keeping up with anymore (on a world class level). That's why he invented Fischer Random.    


     That's the older Fischer who had lost interest in chess- when he was younger he would have prepared more than anyone.

  • 15 months ago · #589

    dominiquelo

    shcherbak wrote:

    Have not Spassky coached K&K? 
    Tal refers to Spassky (and Botvinnik) as to god of arena, same do Kasparov. Further, both authors abhor Fisher (as person) and make strong critics on his games.


  • 15 months ago · #590

    dominiquelo

    Kasparov vs fischer would be like morphy vs botvinik

     

    Very different times and opening theory plus no engins for fischer!

    Fischer was universal great tactics and posi. play.

    Kasparov great calculation and tactics.

    Kasparov doesnt have the positional awarness, intuition, deepnes(positional not tactical), and vision that fischer did.

     

    Kaparovs tacticas were based more on calculation, while fischer on positional awarness. And in the end it is positional play which sees deeper and makes the difference. We will never know!!!

  • 15 months ago · #591

    dominiquelo

    We will never know, Kaspy could calculate more but fischer was positionally more deep and aware.

    Kaspys tactics are based mostly on calc while fischers on positional awarness, and in the end it is positional play which sees deeper and makes the difference.

    Example of the to kinds of tactics are present in famous games of theres

    Kasparov vs topalov 1999

    Byrne vs Fischer 1963

    Fischer tactical play was based on positional features over calculation, while Kaspys on calculation over PF.

  • 15 months ago · #592

    wandafish

    29th August 2007, 11:02pm

     

    so whats the conclusion?

    Fischer or Kasparov? Laughing

  • 15 months ago · #593

    AndyClifton

    Never heard of either one of them.

  • 15 months ago · #594

    Arctor

    Kasparov was already World Champion when pc's still looked like this, so the "if Fisher had compooters" argument doesn't hold up too well

  • 15 months ago · #595

    AndyClifton

    "Aaaa, it's like War Games!!!"

    (And sadly, ICC still looks like that.) Smile

  • 15 months ago · #596

    wandafish

    paul211 wrote:
    wandafish wrote:
    29th August 2007, 11:02pm

     

    so whats the conclusion?

    Fischer or Kasparov?


     

    Let me first say that many players where great, I could list my 5 greatest ones.

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    So the best is Fischer no doubt about it in my mind.


    Thanks for your opinion Paul211,

    i will skip every topic about Fischer vs Kasparov in the future Smile

  • 15 months ago · #597

    TheProfessor

    najdorf wrote:
    Kasparov without thinking twice. Has Fischer played a machine with 200 million moves per second? Go home Fischer!

     Has Fischer lost to a machine with 200 million moves per second?

    For me Fischer number 1

    1. Fischer

    2. Kasparov

    3.Karpov

  • 14 months ago · #598

    FJP3

    It would be quite the clash of ideals. Kasparov, the last great product of the Soviet chess machine, vs. Fischer, the lone-wolf American. Fischer would probably be at an opening disadvantage since he almost exclusively played e4 as white but he would have the edge in the endgame...

    In the end, I'm going with Fischer. He had an unparalleled devotion to chess... Imagine how frightening he would be if he had today's wealth of chess knowledge to study!

  • 14 months ago · #599

    JoseO

    I would give the edge to Kasparov only because he played in an era where computers could be so useful in assisting players improve. I would root for Fischer just because he was the reason that i had an interest in chess and i found him to be more interesting as a person.
  • 14 months ago · #600

    fabelhaft

    "What opening or any move that he invented? Zilch or niet"

    Kasparov was always a great opening theoretician, as even Nakamura knows :-)


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