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Due to my impending return to the southeastern US I have been looking around to see which SE states have any senior events/championships. In the SE I see only 3 that do. As a senior myself I think its a shame/disgrace that seniors have nothing ( or almost nothing ) for them . Many seniors have played chess their whole lives, in my case 4 decades. The kids get all the attention and maybe 1% of them continue playing tournament chess as adults. Why are seniors so easily cast aside like this ? I wonder how many states have even one senior event a year ? Does your state offer anything for seniors ? What a disgrace that many chess players that have supported chess for decades are paid no attention at all when they reach the "ending" of their lives.....
"Senior" is a state of mind, NM Reb. Joseph Henry Blake, born in 1859, achieved his best result in at Weston-super-Mare in 1922. He finished ahead of Maroczy, G.A.Thomas, Yates and Kostic. In your place, I would compete in regular tournaments, and write a chess.com blog about the weird young people you encounter there.
It's not a disgrace chess organizations cater to kids instead of seniors. Kids lack the know-how, the experience, and the resources to organize tournaments on their own. Seniors don't. In fact, there's not a group alive with greater access to all those things, plus spare time.
Nobody's casting you aside. It's just expected that after 40 years on the scene, you'll be able to stand on your own two feet.
I don't understand why you can't take part in regular, non age-segregated events. Do you doubt you have the ability/stamina to keep up with the young folk? If that's the case then how is that any different from the U-1400 player you mentioned in another thread who won what you believe was an inflated prize for playing a lesser standard of chess?
Tournaments segregated by rating are logical, no 1200 wants to pay an entry fee only to be constantly dismantled by far better players, learning nothing. Likewise, no expert/master wants to see the quality of an event diminished by players who will roll over after 10-15 moves. Tournaments for kids are also logical as a way to promote the game to younger generations
Reduced entry fees for seniors is something that's quite agreeable to me but I just don't see the logic of seperate sections/events, at least not on a large scale like you're suggesting should be the norm.
Reb, the fact that we all lap up whatever advice you fell kind enough to offer on these forums should be evidence enough that you're being paid attention to
I guess until you are a senior you won't truly understand. I can and do compete in regular open events but due to stamina its very difficult for me to play more than one serious game a day and its even more difficult if the game starts in the evening. Playing 3 games of serious chess in the same day is simply out of the question and this is still practiced in the USA, 3 classical games in one day. This definitely favors the younger players as they have the stamina to do this and the level of their play isnt much different from the 1st game that day to the last (3rd ) . I dont think its too much to ask for one senior event a year... a state championship for seniors each year would be nice and it would show seniors that they are appreciated and not forgotten. The US does have a national seniors championship and thats nice, maybe I will make it to one of those someday. It would be even nicer if every state had a state championship for seniors too. Ofcourse the state should have enough senior players willing to support such an event before they have them....
Diego Velázquez: Los borrachos (The Seniors)
Sorta ugly crazy if you associate all seniors with drunks...... your translation is wrong as "borrachos" means drunks , not seniors.
There aren't many senior players.
These are the data that I have gleaned from the USCF's web-site:
Total number of active players (players who have played in at least one tournament in the last 12 months) -- 45,000
Number of active senior players -- 1300
Number of active junior players (under 16) --33,000
These numbers show why the junior players get a lot of attention.
In the tournaments that I have recently played in, there was one senior player, me.
Umm, I'm pretty sure we don't discriminate against seniors. We don't set age limits like "you must be under 65 to join this tournament." We allow all ages to join, including young children and old seniors, so why complain about nothing?
You obviously just don't "get it" . There are many events for kids only, scholastic events, under certain ages like 18, 16, 14, 12 .etc..... there are MANY events for kids which DO exclude not only seniors but all adults period. So, whats wrong with having one seniors event a year ?
Because children are still developing and their brains are not fully functional yet, so how do you expect them to compete with a fully developed adult brain? Seniors are adults. If anything, seniors pride themselves on being so much wiser than the younger generation, so using their special wisdom, they should be able to beat any 20 year old chess players.
"Wisdom" has to do with knowledge one gains from life experiences... as for a 20 yo, have you ever heard of Magnus Carlsen ?
Also, there could be special prize funds for seniors.
In many events I have played in since coming to Europe there is a prize for "best senior" just as there is for "best female" , "best junior".... etc. An interesting thing about most of these events is that everyone plays in one big section as opposed to having several, or many , sections based on rating..... It would be nice if USCF tournies did something similar but I won't hold my breath...
Reb, you are correct..."forgotten seniors" hits it on the head...and the reason why they are forgotten, is because the market does not "see" them...our current Model only sees those sectors with the most money, or at least access to it...Kids, The Young, Teens, and Women...not enough "spending power" in the senior sector plus many "need" issues (not good)...
...and this is one of the main problem of "the Market Model"...it does not cater to the needs of all sectors...only those with the most money..
...I guess we will all have to face such issues as you are currently experiencing, when we reach to a similar age...hopefully by then, a more egalatarian approach will be in place...
...but I doubt it...
Seniors are "forgotten" because adults have little interest in playing chess, and the interest decreases with age (look at the data in post #11). It would be nice if there were a large number of tournaments for seniors, but because of the low number of active senior players, I do not expect tournament organizers to cater to my generation.
There are plenty of seniors in the US who have the money to play chess. They prefer to spend their money on other things (I see a lot of them on the golf course).
I think many seniors quit chess precisely because there is nothing for them. Sure...some lose interest and take up other hobbies or maybe have health problems or finance problems and just choose to stay home but I think if there were some events for seniors a % of the now "inactive" seniors might be lured back into activity....
In India, there are open fide rating tournaments where you can participate, whatever your age.
I once met a 75-year old man and drew with him.
As a side note, why don't you take part in the Mumbai Mayor's Cup in September and Write an article on it for chess.com?
Even I am taking part. You could meet IMs and GMs
People want various chess events to happen, but nobody wants to organize or direct them. Have you looked into organizing such an event?
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