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  • 6 years ago · Quote · #1

    drmr4vrmr

    Sometimes I revisit a forum issue and when I do I have to tab down to the bottom to see new development or comment. Would it be better if comment sequencing be in the LIFO mode? (Last in first out).

  • 6 years ago · Quote · #2

    artfizz

    drmr4vrmr wrote:

    Sometimes I revisit a forum issue and when I do I have to tab down to the bottom to see new development or comment. Would it be better if comment sequencing be in the LIFO mode? (Last in first out).

    drmr4vrmr reignites one of the oldest disputes in computer-dom: whether a computer-mediated discussion should be presented in natural sequence (oldest first aka 'bottom posting') or in inverse sequence with the newest first (aka 'top posting'). One way to sidestep the discussion would be to offer both alternatives and let the user choose.

    I favour the current arrangements (i.e. bottom posting) because you start off seeing how the discussion started off.

    On topics that you are explicitly tracking, the discussion opens at the latest, new comment which you haven't yet read - which is very sensible. e.g. if you have read 30 comments, but there are 4 new ones you haven't read, then the 31st comment is displayed.

    For the rest, it opens at the first post. (Apart from Most Recent Posts, where it opens at the last.) Since many people don't quote earlier replies, the alternative would be something like this:

    TOPIC TITLE: QUESTION !!!???

    LATEST REPLY: What's wrong with f3?

    INITIAL POSTING: I've heard you shouldn't leave your knight on f3. Is there genuine theory behind this - or has someone just made it up to illustrate a point?

    If the discussion spans more than one page (about 20 posts), a LAST POST navigation link is provided to take you directly to the final contribution.

    REFERENCES

    http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html

  • 6 years ago · Quote · #3

    drmr4vrmr

    so there is a difference in presentation. thanks for the info artfizz. makes lot of sense to me. in that case consider my comment widrawn

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #4

    artfizz

    It's slightly curious, though, that Next and Previous are both in terms of pages rather than posts. While this is fine semantics for Next - since it takes you to the first post on the next page, Previous takes you to the first posting on the previous page.

    Thus, if you are reading the posts in reverse order, you scroll up the screen reading 43, 42, 41 - hit Previous - and you are shown 21.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #5

    Scarblac

    Whatever they do, I wish they would make it consistent over the site. The forum does one thing, everywhere else (comments to articles, blogs etc) does another.

    In a perfect world, it'd show oldest first, but hiding the posts you had already seen.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #6

    justice_avocado

    Agreed, Scarblac. Some forums do one thing, other forums do another thing. It makes me dizzy.

    Thanks, artfizz, for referring me here!

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #7

    artfizz

    artfizz wrote:

    It's slightly curious, though, that Next and Previous are both in terms of pages rather than posts. While this is fine semantics for Next - since it takes you to the first post on the next page, Previous takes you to the first posting on the previous page.

    Thus, if you are reading the posts in reverse order, you scroll up the screen reading 43, 42, 41 - hit Previous - and you are shown 21.


    "^ Back to top" also takes you back to the start of the current page (of 20 or so posts) - i.e. same as Previous - not to the #1 post.

    However, clicking on page 1 (just above "^ Back to top")

              « Previous | 1 2 3 4 5 6 | Next » | Last Post

    does take you back to the very first post.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #8

    artfizz

    Scarblac wrote:

    Whatever they do, I wish they would make it consistent over the site. The forum does one thing, everywhere else (comments to articles, blogs etc) does another.

    In a perfect world, it'd show oldest first, but hiding the posts you had already seen.


    That would be nice.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #9

    artfizz

    The recent site enhancements announcement ... http://blog.chess.com/webmaster/site-enhancements---20110616  illustrated some of the weaknesses of using the blog format for a discussion:

    - there's no QUOTING

    - entries are not numbered

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #10

    artfizz

    artfizz wrote:

    The recent site enhancements announcement ... http://blog.chess.com/webmaster/site-enhancements---20110616  illustrated some of the weaknesses of using the blog format for a discussion:

    - there's no QUOTING

    - entries are not numbered


    TheMouse wrote: To quote a blog comment, quote a forum comment, copy and paste into the blog, make neccesary adjustments, and submit. Then edit the post to remove the junk lettering at the start of the quoted post.


    Would you believe: There's no QUOTE button.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #11

    artfizz

    artfizz wrote:

    The recent site enhancements announcement ... http://blog.chess.com/webmaster/site-enhancements---20110616  illustrated some of the weaknesses of using the blog format for a discussion:

    - there's no QUOTING

    - entries are not numbered


    TheMouse wrote: To quote a blog comment, quote a forum comment, copy and paste into the blog, make neccesary adjustments, and submit. Then edit the post to remove the junk lettering at the start of the quoted post.


    artfizz wrote: Would you believe: There's no QUOTE button.


    TheMouse wrote: Look at the last comment to this blog post.


    What is the number of that last blog post?

    I don't doubt that it is possible to quote - merely that it is made more difficult by the absence of a QUOTE button.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #12

    artfizz

    artfizz wrote: What is the number of that last blog post?

    TheMouse wrote: 6093786.

    To find the number, hover over the delete button and the number will appear in the URL. Only works for the member who posted the blog and the member who posted the comment. This link does not quote my comment


    Not quite as intuitive or referrable as forum posts then, where the first post is #1, the 2nd is #2, and so on.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #13

    artfizz

    artfizz wrote: What is the number of that last blog post?

    TheMouse wrote: 6093786.

    To find the number, hover over the delete button and the number will appear in the URL. Only works for the member who posted the blog and the member who posted the comment. This link does not quote my comment


    artfizz wrote: Not quite as intuitive or referrable as forum posts then, where the first post is #1, the 2nd is #2, and so on.


    TheMouse wrote: Sorry i was confusing number and ID. every post has an unique ID- this one is 6094101


    I should have specified sequence number.

    Interestingly, if the unique ID could be used (in theory) to provide the ability-to-hyperlink-to-individual-posts.


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