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KalashNK
trysts wrote:
matubadu1 wrote:

russia certainly did invade and continues to cross the borders of a sovereign nation putin is a bully that would like to go back to cold war borders

It's must be a disease which makes Americans lack the embarrassment of speaking about borders and sovereign nations? 

Fortunately there are Americans like you.

trysts
KalashNK wrote:
trysts wrote:
matubadu1 wrote:

russia certainly did invade and continues to cross the borders of a sovereign nation putin is a bully that would like to go back to cold war borders

It's must be a disease which makes Americans lack the embarrassment of speaking about borders and sovereign nations? 

Fortunately there are Americans like you.

Hopefully I'm part of a silent majority that will get together to vote against this republican/democrat regime of endless war and American exceptionalism. But like Emma Goldman said: "If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal."

Azukikuru

Yeah, there is no evidence of Russian troops ever entering Ukraine. It's all been removed:

http://uatoday.tv/politics/russian-investigators-remove-all-evidence-of-russian-troops-in-ukraine-from-nemtsov-apartment-412650.html

Azukikuru
WT2008 wrote:

Please, use Google with the text:
Defense Minister of Ukraine said that in Ukraine there are no Russian troops

 

and look here

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/01/30/ukraine-admits-there-are-no-russian-troops-fighting-against-us/

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/02-02-2015/129672-obama_admits_ukraine_coup-0/

and others. 

You trust Pravda? You should be reading Novaja Gazeta:

http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/67490.html

MuhammadAreez10

??? Stuff

trysts
Azukikuru wrote:

Yeah, there is no evidence of Russian troops ever entering Ukraine. It's all been removed:

http://uatoday.tv/politics/russian-investigators-remove-all-evidence-of-russian-troops-in-ukraine-from-nemtsov-apartment-412650.html

Who needs satellite evidence when you have such great evidence in that USA Today article?Laughing

lebid

Russia is led by a KGB man.It is an awfull place with a history of GULAGS.Ten million Ukrainians were starved to death by Stalin in 1932/33.The Communist Party of USSR killed some 60 million people between 1920 and 1980.Russia has now invaded Ukraine.Putin kills off his opposition members of parliament and pesky journalists.

Azukikuru
trysts wrote:
Azukikuru wrote:

Yeah, there is no evidence of Russian troops ever entering Ukraine. It's all been removed:

http://uatoday.tv/politics/russian-investigators-remove-all-evidence-of-russian-troops-in-ukraine-from-nemtsov-apartment-412650.html

Who needs satellite evidence when you have such great evidence in that USA Today article?

Ahem... That's Ukraine Today. They're a bit closer to the action.

WT2008

Each and every media outlet in Ukraine lies at 100%. All that said and written in the Ukrainea complete lie.

Azukikuru
WT2008 wrote:

Each and every media outlet in Ukraine lies at 100%. All that said and written in the Ukrainea complete lie.

I guess that makes Russian media more truthful, with all lies except for Novaya Gazeta, the only remaining independent news source. By the way, did you read that NG article I posted about the Russian soldier who was wounded in Ukraine? I don't speak Russian, so I don't know what they gave as his reason for having been there. Maybe you could help?

Azukikuru
darlo1959 wrote:

And this is relevant on a Chess site because.........?

Because Garry Kasparov, one of the great chess legends, is involved in Russian opposition politics and therefore in danger of being assassinated by Putin. We are collectively hoping that the Russian state will collapse before that happens.

Goth123

Besides not belonging on a chess site, saying what "we" collectively hope is

highly offensive and I totally disagree with it anyway.

VyboR

Yes, news owned by a pro-Kremlin totally is a reliable source, especially because there is totally no propaganda in Russia.

MuhammadAreez10

Kasparov has taken the risks himself, gotta handle them himself.

chester6
Senior-Lazarus_Long wrote:
 

The referendum was invalid. Citizens in Kiev didn't get to vote.If Texas wanted to leave the Union,I would have the right to vote.I live in illinois.

Well, there's some yankee logic for ya right there.

Imagine there were three men.  Tom, Dick, and Harry.  They organised a club.  They're all hanging at the clubhouse one day, and Harry says, "I don't really like this club anymore.  I'm leaving."  Then Tom and Dick say, "Well, wait a second.  You can't leave without a vote.  We both vote that you have to stay."  Harry says, "No, I really want to leave and I'm leaving."  Then Tom and Dick physically restrain Harry, not letting him leave.

The example I've just given describes a case of kidnappping.  Harry is well within his right to defend himself, try to fight off Tom and Dick, and get the heck out of there.  Tom and Dick don't have the right to tell Harry what he can and can not do just because they call it a "vote".  This would also be true if Tom, Dick and Harry were names given to groups of people.

trysts
Azukikuru wrote:
trysts wrote:
Azukikuru wrote:

Yeah, there is no evidence of Russian troops ever entering Ukraine. It's all been removed:

http://uatoday.tv/politics/russian-investigators-remove-all-evidence-of-russian-troops-in-ukraine-from-nemtsov-apartment-412650.html

Who needs satellite evidence when you have such great evidence in that USA Today article?

Ahem... That's Ukraine Today. They're a bit closer to the action.

There's no evidence in this article of a Russian invasion of the Ukraine. Is this evidence for you?:

"Having completed the examination of the crime scene on Bolshoi Moskvoretsky bridge in downtown Moscow near the Kremlin, investigators came to Nemtsov's apartment on Malaya Ordynka street which overlooks the bridge from the crime scene.

Some opposition figures say the search was to find and eliminate any evidence of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which Nemtsov claimed to have in his possession.

Ukraine's President Poroshenko said Nemtsov had told him recently he had compiled evidence of Russia's military presence in Ukraine."

There are no satellite pictures of an invasion. No video evidence. Where are the videos from USA-Ukraine Today? Satellites can take pictures clear enough to see a license plate number anywhere on earth but they can't take a picture of a Russian invasion? Why? That's because there was/is no invasion.

Senior-Lazarus_Long

MuhammadAreez10 wrote:

Kasparov has taken the risks himself, gotta handle them himself.

Nope he's a guest of the USA. If he is attacked, we will consider it an attack by Russia on the USA. The Ukraine,including Crimea, will be defended. Putin will be removed,and only then will Russia be allowed to participate in the international economy.

trysts
Senior-Lazarus_Long wrote:

MuhammadAreez10 wrote:

Kasparov has taken the risks himself, gotta handle them himself.

Nope he's a guest of the USA. If he is attacked, we will consider it an attack by Russia on the USA. The Ukraine,including Crimea, will be defended. Putin will be removed,and only then will Russia be allowed to participate in the international economy.

No country is going to risk nuclear war for Gary KasparovLaughing

KalashNK

Where do they tell you these fairy tales?

Senior-Lazarus_Long

chester6 wrote:

Senior-Lazarus_Long wrote:

 

The referendum was invalid. Citizens in Kiev didn't get to vote.If Texas wanted to leave the Union,I would have the right to vote.I live in illinois.

Well, there's some yankee logic for ya right there.

Imagine there were three men.  Tom, Dick, and Harry.  They organised a club.  They're all hanging at the clubhouse one day, and Harry says, "I don't really like this club anymore.  I'm leaving."  Then Tom and Dick say, "Well, wait a second.  You can't leave without a vote.  We both vote that you have to stay."  Harry says, "No, I really want to leave and I'm leaving."  Then Tom and Dick physically restrain Harry, not letting him leave.

The example I've just given describes a case of kidnappping.  Harry is well within his right to defend himself, try to fight off Tom and Dick, and get the heck out of there.  Tom and Dick don't have the right to tell Harry what he can and can not do just because they call it a "vote".  This would also be true if Tom, Dick and Harry were names given to groups of people.

Nope, it's like if you take an oath to join the Army,and your company is ordered to war. One member decides to desert, but the other members won't let him,and he is forced to live up to his commitment to the other members of his company. This is good and correct.