Greatest non winners

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14th April 2009, 08:39am
#1
by AMcHarg
Livingston Scotland
Member Since: Apr 2008
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I would say Vaselin Topalov and I believe in the future that Magnus Carlsen will win the World Championship.

14th April 2009, 08:39am
#2
by richie_and_oprah
Marie Byrd Land International
Member Since: Feb 2009
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Korchnoi, Smyslov, Keres, Bronstein, Chigorin, Rubenstein

14th April 2009, 08:40am
#3
by richie_and_oprah
Marie Byrd Land International
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AMcHarg wrote:

I would say Vaselin Topalov and I believe in the future that Magnus Carlsen will win the World Championship.


Topalov has won a title.

14th April 2009, 08:43am
#4
by AMcHarg
Livingston Scotland
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 913
richie_and_oprah wrote:
AMcHarg wrote:

I would say Vaselin Topalov and I believe in the future that Magnus Carlsen will win the World Championship.


Topalov has won a title.


FIDE world title because he was the highest graded player but he hasn't won a world championship match before which is what we are talking about I think?

14th April 2009, 08:55am
#5
by richie_and_oprah
Marie Byrd Land International
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 1861
AMcHarg wrote:
richie_and_oprah wrote:
AMcHarg wrote:

I would say Vaselin Topalov and I believe in the future that Magnus Carlsen will win the World Championship.


Topalov has won a title.


FIDE world title because he was the highest graded player but he hasn't won a world championship match before which is what we are talking about I think?


He did not win for being the "highest graded player."

He won the 2005 FIDE World Championship.

"In the face of criticism of the Knock-Out FIDE World Chess Championships held from 1998 to 2004, FIDE (the World Chess Federation) made changes for its World Chess Championship in 2005. It used normal (slow) time controls (unlike the 2002 and 2004 Knock-Out tournaments), and changed the format to an eight player, double round robin event, where every player plays every other player twice, once with each colour."

From Wikipedia: (original source link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE_World_Chess_Championship_2005)

 

As far as what you are "thinking about", I forgot to take my ESP pills today. Wink

14th April 2009, 09:02am
#6
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4071
richie_and_oprah wrote:
AMcHarg wrote:
richie_and_oprah wrote:
AMcHarg wrote:

I would say Vaselin Topalov and I believe in the future that Magnus Carlsen will win the World Championship.


Topalov has won a title.


FIDE world title because he was the highest graded player but he hasn't won a world championship match before which is what we are talking about I think?


He did not win for being the "highest graded player."

He won the 2005 FIDE World Championship.

"In the face of criticism of the Knock-Out FIDE World Chess Championships held from 1998 to 2004, FIDE (the World Chess Federation) made changes for its World Chess Championship in 2005. It used normal (slow) time controls (unlike the 2002 and 2004 Knock-Out tournaments), and changed the format to an eight player, double round robin event, where every player plays every other player twice, once with each colour."

From Wikipedia: (original source link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE_World_Chess_Championship_2005)

 

As far as what you are "thinking about", I forgot to take my ESP pills today.


 The double round robin tournament that Topalov won to become FIDE world champion was San Luis 2005 and the tournament book by the same name is one of the best tournament books ever written and belongs in the library of every serious chess player.

14th April 2009, 09:13am
#7
by crisy
International
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 362
richie_and_oprah wrote:

Korchnoi, Smyslov, Keres, Bronstein, Chigorin, Rubenstein


Small point - Smyslov was world champion, though not for long. He won it from Botvinnik in 1957 and Botvinnik won it back in 1958. They played three matches altogether - Botvinnik retained his title in 1954 with a 12-12 draw.

14th April 2009, 09:13am
#8
by raberbar
Edmonton Canada
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 14

For me Tchigorin, Tarrasch, Bogoljubov, Keres, Bronstein, Korchnoi (I also have to mention Flohr, Fine, and Larsen, and Geller)

Oh and Smyslov was a World Champion (great games between him and Botvinnik)

I think Keres and Bronstein really stand out though.

14th April 2009, 09:17am
#9
by raberbar
Edmonton Canada
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 14

I forgot the great hypermodern thinkers that were overshadowed by Lasker and Capa, hard to be classified as great when going up against a couple of the most dominant players ever!

14th April 2009, 09:38am
#10
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4071

Lets not forget Karl Schlecter !  He only needed a draw in the last game to defeat the great E. Lasker for the world championship but lost the game.

14th April 2009, 10:09am
#11
by Gomer_Pyle
Elmira, New York United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 288

Paul Keres

exerpt from Wikipedia: "He was one of the very few players who had a plus record against Capablanca. He also had plus records against World Champions Euwe and Tal, and equal records against Smyslov, Petrosian and Anatoly Karpov. In his long career, he played no fewer than ten world champions. He beat every world champion from Capablanca through Bobby Fischer (his two games with Karpov were drawn), making him the only player ever to beat nine undisputed world champions. Other notable grandmasters against whom he had plus records include Fine, Flohr, Viktor Korchnoi, Efim Geller, Savielly Tartakower, Mark Taimanov, Milan Vidmar, Svetozar Gligoric, Isaac Boleslavsky, Efim Bogoljubov and Bent Larsen."

14th April 2009, 10:56am
#12
by CerebralAssassin
Rodos Greece
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 272

Korchnoi,Aron Nimzowitsch,Paul Morphy and Akiba Rubenstein

3rd July 2009, 06:37am
#13
by rab63
? Scotland
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 1137

N Short

3rd July 2009, 07:22am
#14
by Tajamoen
International
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 394
richie_and_oprah wrote:

Korchnoi, Smyslov, Keres, Bronstein, Chigorin, Rubenstein


Smyslov also won the title. 

2nd October 2009, 11:40am
#15
by CPawn
Sacramento, California United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 777
AMcHarg wrote:
richie_and_oprah wrote:
AMcHarg wrote:

I would say Vaselin Topalov and I believe in the future that Magnus Carlsen will win the World Championship.


Topalov has won a title.


FIDE world title because he was the highest graded player but he hasn't won a world championship match before which is what we are talking about I think?


 Your post is asking who the greatest player t never have won a world title.  Topolov has won a world title.  You didnt say anything about a "match" in the title or body of your thread.

 

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