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Has chess engine destroyed respect of people towards players


  • 5 months ago · Quote · #21

    Ubik42

    Debistro wrote:

    Lets not talk about GMs, chess programs have raised the playing of ALL players in the past 10 years. I know it is a fact that a 1700 player today is like 1900 or 2000 player just 10 years ago. The average standard has gone up a lot. Try playing 1300 players on Yahoo Chess now......very different from your average 1300 player here.

    I second this. I only dip into OTB chess on occasions, but I have been doing it on and off since the 70's I have always been rated in the 1600's. But my playing strength is definetly stronger now. I can look back at games I played in say 1979, as a 1600, and chuckle at the newbie mistakes. I would estimate I was playing at what would be considered 1400 today.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #22

    Mandy711

    Fuyaall wrote:
    Mandy711 wrote:

    I don't think a chess program/ engine running on a smart phone can beat Carlsen and other 2700+ players yet. On a cheapest notebook, yes. But another few years, the smart phone can challenge the world champion  anytime.

    iphone 5s with 64bitprocessor engine can beat i believe

    64 bit micro on a smart phone? Must be a pocket chess monster.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #23

    Ptol4o

    engiens have change people way of thinkig which has lost my respect to the game there was a post invent a gambit that gives your side adventege and a person posted a stupid gambit just so he can laugh how people think about chess now days

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #24

    chess_gg

       Overall, I'd say that chess is both better and worse than "in the old days".

       There was more of a profound, mystique quality about chess back then. As a teenager, I had a job after school. Then, late at night, I'd read a library chess book with a flashlight and mini chess set on the upper bunk bed that I shared with my kid brother below.

       Today? Well, we all know that what I said is out the window. I would no longer need the library, the book, the flashlight nor the mini chess set.

       If I was in that situation today, I'd be practicing my tactics here on the internet with my backlit-screened Nexus and playing people all over the world.

       I think I'd go with things the way they are. I happen to be an old guy who is not stuck in the past. I've always loved innovation and new technology. And, here we are! Smile

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #25

    chess_gg

       One afterthought...

       The OP asked if respect for other people has changed.

       You betcha. In the old days, if you disrespected someone...you could end up holding an icebag on your eye socket afterwards.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #26

    chesspartha

    chess_gg wrote:

    I will add...

       I do think that chessplayers used to have a greater sense of humility "back in the day". That's because when they sat across from someone, in the flesh, and got their butt kicked, that would bring the ego "down to earth".

       Nowadays, everyone has a computer, smartphone, tablet, etc. with various software and some of the worst patzers can smugly feel like a whizzbang chessplayer.

       Hey, I am just reporting the news.

    you are absolutely right.leko was telling the same thing.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #27

    EricFleet

    chess_gg wrote:

     

       I do think that chessplayers used to have a greater sense of humility "back in the day". That's because when they sat across from someone, in the flesh, and got their butt kicked, that would bring the ego "down to earth".

     

    What is this belief based on?

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #28

    chesspartha

    iLoveCarlsen wrote:

    Magnus Carlsen plays better than Houdini and Rybka when he go serious.
    I dont think their move analysis can be applied to Carlsen, it should be the other way around. Carlsen will tell us if Houdini made a good move.

    no man I dont think so.Even carlsen makes mistakes.engines do not.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #29

    chesspartha

    plexinico wrote:

    I think computers ruined the perception of the game and of what it takes to be a GM...
    I also think that and the internet raised the level of amateurs, club players and everyone else.
    I don't like the preparation players have now because of computers.  It is like they are acting out somebody elses role.  Yeah it did happen back then, but at least people played some moves that "could be ok", now they for sure know that they are ok or not...

    I agree it has probably made people more stronger....but again it has destroyed romatic chess

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #30

    chess_gg

    EricFleet wrote:
    chess_gg wrote:

     

       I do think that chessplayers used to have a greater sense of humility "back in the day". That's because when they sat across from someone, in the flesh, and got their butt kicked, that would bring the ego "down to earth".

     

    What is this belief based on?

       More than 50 years of chessplay.

       Why do you ask?

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #31

    lyfegoes0n

    I just find it annoying that if you're beating someone online, they can simply accuse you of using an engine and in their own mind they're still the greatest player in the world.

    Not saying people don't cheat, just saying it partially ruins the satisfaction of winning if you win without any computer analysis.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #32

    chesspartha

    lyfegoes0n wrote:

    I just find it annoying that if you're beating someone online, they can simply accuse you of using an engine and in their own mind they're still the greatest player in the world.

    Not saying people don't cheat, just saying it partially ruins the satisfaction of winning if you win without any computer analysis.

    true.


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