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How good Alekhine would be, if he live now?


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #1

    blackjokercz

    Hi,

    It always interest me: “How good old masters were?“ You know all the famous chess masters of early era of chess, where they would be now? What about Bird, Blackburne, Nimzovitch, Steinitz, Tarrash or even great ones as Aleknine, Lasker, Andersen Adolf, Capa ..etc? Everyone talk about their power, about their great play, but if they live now...? Can for example Alekhine beat Kramnik?

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #2

    PrawnEatsPrawn

    This site has quite a go at comparing chess players from different times:

     

    http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/Introduction.asp?Params=

     

    Hours of fun, for the interested geek. Embarassed

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #3

    silvergnak

    If he were alive, Alekhin would suck at chess. I mean come on, the guy would be 118, way past his prime obviously. It'd be already great if he'd remember the rules of the game.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #4

    ivandh

    Somewhere between a class C player and the best ever

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #5

    blackjokercz

    I doesnt mean it like how good he would be at 118. :) But if he used some of time mashine or was frized and now unfrized in biological age of 30. Simply how good he was in his best age compere todays players. And what the rest of these masters are their mithological powers and briliance play any value compere nowdays masters?
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #6

    LAexpress12

    he wouldnt be as good as capa would be if capa was still alive

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #7

    Atos

    Another time machine thread...

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #8

    blackjokercz

    everyone likes time-machines :)
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #9

    EM1NEM

    Alekhine defence FTW

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #10

    Steinar

    blackjokercz wrote:
    I doesnt mean it like how good he would be at 118. :) But if he used some of time mashine or was frized and now unfrized in biological age of 30. Simply how good he was in his best age compere todays players. And what the rest of these masters are their mithological powers and briliance play any value compere nowdays masters?

    Actually, if his time machine made it through the wreckage of Morphy and Fischer's recent crash, he would arrive here only to find his own understanding along with that of all contemporary players reduced to that of a modern-day 2000 player due to Philidor's recent arrival (leaving his own time and depriving the world of his legacy). Philidor would not be playing chess, he'd be marveling at the diversity of modern music and, playing synth/keyboards, join a black metal band.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #11

    philidor_position

    ivandh wrote:

    Somewhere between a class C player and the best ever


    That sounds just about right.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #12

    Chessgod123

    Only around the level of a 2200 player due to the advances in techniques, tactics, openings, endgames, strategies, etc. However, if he were to be compensated for the era in which he played, he would be the World Champion for a couple of years now and then lose the title to Magnus Carlsen.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #13

    Atos

    Chessgod123 wrote:

    Only around the level of a 2200 player due to the advances in techniques, tactics, openings, endgames, strategies, etc. 


    Ehem and I don't know. That every modern Fide master and above is better than Alekhine was ? I would think that he would be GM level.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #14

    Chessgod123

    Atos wrote:
    Chessgod123 wrote:

    Only around the level of a 2200 player due to the advances in techniques, tactics, openings, endgames, strategies, etc. 


    Ehem and I don't know. That every modern Fide master and above is better than Alekhine was ? I would think that he would be GM level.


    GM ... I don't think so. Alekhine may have been more talented, but everyone from 2000+ has all the understanding, knowledge of theory, opening, etc.

    But maybe he'd be more like 2400-2500.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #15

    Steinar

    Here we go.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #16

    Steinar

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #17

    trysts

    He'd be good, and drunk, if he lived at my houseSmile

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #18

    Atos

    trysts wrote:

    He'd be good, and drunk, if he lived at my house


     trysts i may not be good at chess but I can be drunk for sure.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #19

    trysts

    Atos wrote:
    trysts wrote:

    He'd be good, and drunk, if he lived at my house


     trysts i may not be good at chess but I can be drunk for sure.


    I don't know exactly how good Alekhine would be at chess if he were alive today, but without booze, I'm sure he'd be just as dead today as yesterday.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #20

    PrawnEatsPrawn

    trysts wrote:

    He'd be good, and drunk, if he lived at my house


     

    Alekhine was often good and drunk, wherever he was. The man was a genius and I cringe when 1200ish players think that the old masters would be out of their depth at GM level.


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