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How good Alekhine would be, if he live now?

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blackjokercz

Hi,

It always interest me: “How good old masters were?“ You know all the famous chess masters of early era of chess, where they would be now? What about Bird, Blackburne, Nimzovitch, Steinitz, Tarrash or even great ones as Aleknine, Lasker, Andersen Adolf, Capa ..etc? Everyone talk about their power, about their great play, but if they live now...? Can for example Alekhine beat Kramnik?

PrawnEatsPrawn

This site has quite a go at comparing chess players from different times:

 

http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/Introduction.asp?Params=

 

Hours of fun, for the interested geek. Embarassed

silvergnak

If he were alive, Alekhin would suck at chess. I mean come on, the guy would be 118, way past his prime obviously. It'd be already great if he'd remember the rules of the game.

ivandh

Somewhere between a class C player and the best ever

blackjokercz
I doesnt mean it like how good he would be at 118. :) But if he used some of time mashine or was frized and now unfrized in biological age of 30. Simply how good he was in his best age compere todays players. And what the rest of these masters are their mithological powers and briliance play any value compere nowdays masters?
LAexpress12

he wouldnt be as good as capa would be if capa was still alive

Atos

Another time machine thread...

blackjokercz
everyone likes time-machines :)
philidorposition
ivandh wrote:

Somewhere between a class C player and the best ever


That sounds just about right.

Chessgod123

Only around the level of a 2200 player due to the advances in techniques, tactics, openings, endgames, strategies, etc. However, if he were to be compensated for the era in which he played, he would be the World Champion for a couple of years now and then lose the title to Magnus Carlsen.

Atos
Chessgod123 wrote:

Only around the level of a 2200 player due to the advances in techniques, tactics, openings, endgames, strategies, etc. 


Ehem and I don't know. That every modern Fide master and above is better than Alekhine was ? I would think that he would be GM level.

Chessgod123
Atos wrote:
Chessgod123 wrote:

Only around the level of a 2200 player due to the advances in techniques, tactics, openings, endgames, strategies, etc. 


Ehem and I don't know. That every modern Fide master and above is better than Alekhine was ? I would think that he would be GM level.


GM ... I don't think so. Alekhine may have been more talented, but everyone from 2000+ has all the understanding, knowledge of theory, opening, etc.

But maybe he'd be more like 2400-2500.

trysts

He'd be good, and drunk, if he lived at my houseSmile

Atos
trysts wrote:

He'd be good, and drunk, if he lived at my house


 trysts i may not be good at chess but I can be drunk for sure.

trysts
Atos wrote:
trysts wrote:

He'd be good, and drunk, if he lived at my house


 trysts i may not be good at chess but I can be drunk for sure.


I don't know exactly how good Alekhine would be at chess if he were alive today, but without booze, I'm sure he'd be just as dead today as yesterday.

PrawnEatsPrawn
trysts wrote:

He'd be good, and drunk, if he lived at my house


 

Alekhine was often good and drunk, wherever he was. The man was a genius and I cringe when 1200ish players think that the old masters would be out of their depth at GM level.

Dragec
He would still be the best, anytime, anywhere. :-)
orangehonda

Along the idea of tonydals question in another thread , while on it's way, what if the time machine carrying Alekhine was hit by the time machine carrying Morphy?

rooperi
orangehonda wrote:

Along the idea of tonydals question in another thread , while on it's way, what if the time machine carrying Alekhine was hit by the time machine carrying Morphy?


That's just silly. Morphy's time machine was destroyed when he hit Fischer.

lebronjames6

Amazing, he would crush everyone except carlsen