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How Hard Is Chess, Really?


  • 21 months ago · Quote · #81

    waffllemaster

    A bit of advice, modified to fit this discussion... which is harder among board games like chess, checkers, go, shogi, et al.

    The hardest game is the one you don't like playing Wink

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #82

    VULPES_VULPES

    Yup.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #83

    Here_Is_Plenty

    waffllemaster wrote:

    A bit of advice, modified to fit this discussion... which is harder among board games like chess, checkers, go, shogi, et al.

    The hardest game is the one you don't like playing

    Monopoly it is then.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #84

    Conflagration_Planet

    LAZARE82 wrote:

    I just read the post about checkers,

    I did not realise there were that many possibilities loll.

    But still ,,, less than chess

    He indeed did say it was less than chess. I read it was 50, and sometimes up to 200 computers working night, and day for 18 years to finally solve checkers. They say chess probably has at least 40 more zeros for possible moves than checkers. Still, nobody could ever memorize even a significant fraction of the possible checkers moves.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #85

    Here_Is_Plenty

    Nonsense, planet.  Little round one diagonally, followed by little round one diagonally, maybe then little round one diagonally, then the masterstroke little round one diagonally...rinse and repeat.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #86

    DimebagDerek

    What is interesting about checkers play is that when you go to tournaments, they used to be called GAYP tourneys. (Go as you please)  But there are only really a handful of really strong and popular openings to learn deeply.  The games became very drawish.  So now you draw a 3-move card.  It forces you to learn the proper draw lines of dubious openings.  They do in fact have barred openings though, because there is no actual way to draw with best play.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #87

    Grandmasta23

    there r checker tournaments

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #88

    stanhope13

    There are Tiddlewinks tournements.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #89

    stanhope13

    What about SCRABBLE that,s hard.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #90

    DimebagDerek

    Yes there are.  Many of the names have been big names in the game for a very long time.  I believe the last close to 10 years have been dominated by Ron King.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #91

    Here_Is_Plenty

    stanhope13 wrote:

    There are Tiddlewinks tournements.

    I remember despairing years ago when Oxford University replaced the annual chess tournament with a tiddlywinks one.  Made me glad I was too stupid to go to Oxford.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #92

    DimebagDerek

    I play quite a bit of scrabble as well.  Learning all the two letter and three letter words helps out tremendously in that game.  Also the variation of the game matters, if it is up to the opponent to challenge words that they believe are not real words, that increases the difficulty tremendously, because you can occasionally bluff a word.  Now if you are playing online versions, like Literati or Words with Friends, the game itself checks before play, so it makes play considerably easier.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #93

    DimebagDerek

    My grandfather sold cars for over 50 years, when someone would come into his office just browsing or trying to get a test drive out of him, he would bust out a set of tiddlywinks and ask them if they wanted to play.  The people would look so confused and he would just say 'Well I know you aren't here to buy a car, so I figured we could play some tiddlywinks'  Was very amusing working with him.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #94

    Conflagration_Planet

    Competive tiddlywinks is harder than most people think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiddlywinks

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #95

    blake78613

    I always thought the old Avalon Hill game Panzer Blitz was basically unplayable.  It was strange because most of my friends were fascinated with the equipment and modular maps.  But as a game it just didn't work.  You had to approach it as simulation and play in that spirit, because there were often tactics you could use to win that didn't make sense as an actual simulation of the real thing.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #96

    blake78613

    Conflagration_Planet wrote:

    Competive tiddlywinks is harder than most people think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiddlywinks

    Real men play Tiddywinks with manhole covers.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #97

    thesoulwatcher

    The japanese game of Go is rather complex, and a much more overwhelming board on a grid of 19x19, but I'd say Chess would be the second most complex. Checkers and Othello can be complex as well but more limited in possibilites.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #98

    DimebagDerek

    You guys have convinced me, I shall check out Go!  I wasn't even aware of Shogi until I watched anime.  I will check it out also.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #99

    nameno1had

    stanhope13 wrote:

    What about SCRABBLE that,s hard.

    I love scrabble...and I think it is easy...

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #100

    nameno1had

    Conflagration_Planet wrote:
    LAZARE82 wrote:

    I just read the post about checkers,

    I did not realise there were that many possibilities loll.

    But still ,,, less than chess

    He indeed did say it was less than chess. I read it was 50, and sometimes up to 200 computers working night, and day for 18 years to finally solve checkers. They say chess probably has at least 40 more zeros for possible moves than checkers. Still, nobody could ever memorize even a significant fraction of the possible checkers moves.

    If you missed my apology earlier, I felt I owed it to you to say it again and include a few facts for why. I had gotten GO and Reversi confused. I blundered bad. I wanted to tell you that I don't know enough about GO to corroborate your opinion as factual in my opinion, but I did try it once and realized it was invovled enough that I decided, instead of trying to get good at it, I would rather stick to chess. I already knew much more about it.


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