So, are you saying that more openings or variations would be named after Fischer than are now so named were it not for the machinations of some old Soviet officials ?
No, nor would anyone who read the thread carefully.
So,do you think there are too few,too many,or just the right number of openings named after Fischer?
He almost single handedly killed off the King's Gambit at the highest levels with the defense he outlined in his "bust" article so it's only appropriate that it be named after him. For that, he'll be forever linked to the KGA.
The King's Gambit Accepted went out of fashion among masters in the 1930's for almost 50 years until Alexei Fedorov and Joe Gallagher revived it in the 1990's. I don't think Fischer himself ever played Fischer's defence to the King's Gambit Accepted: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef 3.Nf3 d6. Karpov and Portisch tried it out against Spassky in 1982 and 1967 respectively, both losing as black. Gallagher has had to face it a few times with an even record, and Fedorov's opponents seem to prefer the old main line 3...g5. It's an interesting line, but saying that it "killed off" the KGA seems to me a bit of an exaggeration to say the least.
The Soviet GM David Bronstein was one of Fischer's childhood heroes. Bronstein was one of the early pioneers of the King's Indian Defence, and also played 6.Bc4 against the Sicilian Najdorf. The Argentinian GM Oscar Panno was one of the first to play the Poisoned Pawn, and Fischer met Panno at Portoroz Interzonal in 1958 where Panno played ...Qb6 in a Sicilian Dragon.
For much of his career, Fischer had a very strong loyalty to a relatively small number of openings, principally the Najdorf and the King's Indian Defence. He knew these very well, but the innovations he introduced were often quite deep into the long forced lines that these openings give rise to.
What facts do you want? I cant extract all content of my brain to show you as a prove. I cant make a movie where old USSR players assures you about that, and even if i could how will you know it is not fake? I cant email the copy of my past USSR memory for you to check it. So what do you want as prove? It is your way of perceptioning the world, make your own choice. For example i know a lot of people who tried to prove me that Americans never flew to the moon even once, prove that all was TV and mass media fake to people, just to significantly raise Americans authority in the world. I even heard about movies trying to prove that. So what? Must i believe in that? I hope you get the point. You may launch your own investigation of both questions if you care, ask people who you believe, or read the links or books of authors who you trust.
Woah woah woah. What's up with the ad in investigation? That's crazy! I've never seen that before. Also, I'm going to start using this new verb "perceptioning." I like it.
That being said, I wasn't intending to be hard on the non-native English speakers at this site. Your English is really good, and needless to say, a heck of a lot better than my non-existent Ukrainian, so I'm not hating. Just thought "perceptioning" was funny.
perceptioning lmao. mean.
Catalyst_Kh's form wasn't perfect but I got all his meaning, so his english was pretty good.
In the absence of a confession from old Soviet officials, or hard documentary evidence, it boils down to opinion, but hopefully opinion backed up with credible or reasonable argument.
I think at this time there is no need to hide it, the terms are already expired long ago. So i am sure you can find a lot of documentary evidence, probably in russian language, but maybe you will be more lucky. I dont want to search for it, i have satisfaction in that i just know it for sure (let it be imho if you want) from a lot of old russian player, who are still live here in post USSR countries. Also USSR's mass media never hided this way of handling all sport and chess game and from times it was still USSR i remember that all good by myself. You probably just read something somewhere and bileved by words in others lie (or let it be just casual mistake). Find the imformation about Kortschnoj also, read some of his books, he talked about this too, and how much he suffered for his escape, even his family in USSR was terrored a lot after his deed.
In post USSR territory last years became very popular to invent new interesting verbs and funny words of our own language, some people even speak almost with those only. :) That is new line of humor, so i used to it so much that dont even pay any attention to this when typing my messages, so i am glad you have fun from new word of your language, and i dont take any offence of course. :)
What is the "official" Old Soviet position on their players agreeing to short draws amongst themselves and fighting hard against the strong foreigner(s)?
What the players alone agreed to?
Directed to do so from above?
Observed and acquiesced to by the powers above but not directed to do so?
I know this is a different question, but I am curious what your response will be.
I don't know of any
What times are you talking about? In different years that was different, i know not much in this. I can ask if you want. :) Better dont believe any "officials", USSR was very complicated country. :)
Most time they just didnt want to waste opening novelties on each other, just played the main lines to the draw. But there was wins and losses also, in endgames mostly. Sometimes players was strictly commanded to make some decent score. Some novelties was personal, but much more was collective work to beat the world, so they have no right to waste it on each others. Look for "match of the century" at 1970 for example.
Sometimes yes. And no one have choice - only obey, if directed. Government has total control. Disobey even once and you will never play at any tournament anymore and your name will never be spoken at mass media anymore. That is most time exaggeration and good players sometimes was forgiven for minor misbehavior, but for many players that happened literally. For example Kortchnoj was cut from any international events for years.
I didnt get the sense of this question, sorry my bad english. :) Also good players and good behaviors has more support and help, so that was "the score" to obay also. The best example of that would be the young Karpov. Several GMs, special people and ex world champions literally worked for Karpov for some periods (within many years!).
Inside the USSR, especially at USSR championships, was no restrictions, players was fighting very hot, you may find it out by yourself. While almost any international event has strong political interests, sometimes it doesnt affected, by sometimes does a lot.
And by the way, i am not chess hystorian, i know just a little, if you wanted just to test me that is ok, but if you want to find evidences and documentary or have a lot of concrete historical questions then i will probably cant help with that, but i would be interested to hear those questions anyway. :)
''When we played a Candidate's match with Larsen in Malmo in 1968, the total prize fund was something like $250! I protested to the FIDE President Rogard then. But he reasonably replied that it was according to the wishes of the Soviet Chess Federation, to which he had to listen. The Soviet Chess Federation, of course, did not care about the players, for the communists chess was only an instrument.''
Spassky.
An interesting observation.
I think it was just that the openings he liked to play already happened to have names. Most openings already did, of course.
How many openings can you name that were named after world champions AFTER Fischer? You may include all the FIDE ones.
I can think of three: the Karpov variation in the Caro-Kann, the Kasparov variation in the Nimzo, and the Kasparov Gambit in the Sicilian.
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OK, this is where I take exception: You can't just go around verbicizing nouns like that.
Why i cant?
How badly was Spassky punished after his loss to Fischer in 1972 ? Until recently I believed he wasnt allowed to play outside his country for a couple of years but this isnt true. He seemed to completely recover from his loss to Fischer, as he won the USSR Championship in 1973 ! After that he made the candidates and seemed destined to challenge Fischer again in 1975 but was crushed by Karpov. I have often wondered about their match, was it fixed ? Was Spassky instructed to lose ? I think Karpov was the new hope and noone believed Spassky could beat Fischer in 1975.
That match was totally fair, hundred of alive witnesses can assure you about. Also you can analyze opening choices of the games and compare them to that time, to be sure about. There was said that Spassky spend all his opening novelties in USSR champ, so he had no backup in this in candidate matches, while Karpov was in exactly opposite situation - he had plenty of new, unshowed novelties, from his coatch Furman. Everybody expected that final candidate winner will play against Fischer, nobody know at that time about Fischer's future decision, so there cant be any picking "Spassky or Karpov or any other", as you told. And before this rise of Karpov nobody of bureaucrats can bet at him, because he was "just newcomer", too young, and by himself Karpov considered it was not his winning circle, he planned to collect more experience and win world crown at next circle over 3 years. Most people considered Spassky as favorite, but there was enough of Karpov fans too, who believed in Karpov even before he shows himself so brightly. Long before Karpov-Spassky match Kortschnoj even betted about that in final candidate match the opponents will be Karpov-Kortschnoj, while others bet for more "obvious" players. ...if believe to one of the books i read. There is a lot of detailed reviews about Karpov at that matches, against Polugaevsky, Spassky and Kortschnoj, you may read about even in Kasparov's "My great predecessors" (vol 4 and 5). And only when Karpov promised to bureaucrats that he can win Fischer (much later, after final candidates match was over), only than they can made all bets on him and his future career.
For such a strong player who was renowned for his opening study and preparation, Fischer doesn't have much named after him. I can remember the Sozin attack in the Sicilian, and now it's the Fischer-Sozin. He's got that defense in the King's Gambit he worked up in the 60s. Something in the Nimzo-Indian too that I don't remember the moves to.
Even Reshevsky, who was notorious for his ignorance of opening theory has maybe as much named after him, and of course names like Smyslov and Bronstein proliferate.
Perhaps it was Fischer's limited repertoire, but still.
I think that Fischer's rep has earned him honor in the most dominant art form or our times. They named a movie after him. Even people who do not know of chess kow of the movie. Thats pretty cool.
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