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How to Analyze better?


  • 21 months ago · Quote · #1

    SerbianChessStar

    Are there any books that teach u how to analyse better?

    There are a couple like Secrets of Practical chess and Think like a grandmaster but what do you guys prefer?

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #2

    SerbianChessStar

    Its my bullet rating

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #3

    theoreticalboy

    You're probably running out of book-based thread topics now, so may I suggest you go to 'Books I definitely won't buy,' 'Books I probably wouldn't buy, but may borrow from the library if they have a copy,' and then perhaps 'Books that have nothing to do with chess that I might buy at the same time I buy books about chess, in the hope that they might supplement my intellectual development enough to allow mye to absorb the chess-based material better.'

     

    Seriously though, this is a fine topic, and I'm glad someone raised it, but you made it a third topic about books for you to buy in two days?

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #4

    SerbianChessStar

    Yes because I want to know what people think of in different "topic" of chess in books

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #5

    Archaic71

    I would be more inclined to get a few good GM game collection books that are well annotated to work on calculation, especially if you can play through them with an engine running.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #6

    hicetnunc

    What do you call analyzing ? Is it post-mortem, or thinking during the game ?

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #7

    SerbianChessStar

    Sorry i ment thinking during the game, how to think of candidate moves etc..

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #8

    hicetnunc

    Well, there are many methods, but I don't think you really need a book here, as most of it comes with experience, and as your level of play increases, most of the thinking is done subsconsciously anyway...

    In a nutshell :

    • "What is my opponent threatening, what is he trying to do ?"
    • "Do I have any check, capture, threatening move ? Let's calculate them..."
    • "What's the next move in my plan ?"
    • "I don't have a plan, how can I improve my worst piece ?"

    Ah, and as Nunn and Tisdall have rightly pointed out, the Kotov's tree of analysis method just doesn't work, so you don't really need his famous book Cool

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #9

    electricpawn

    hicetnunc wrote:

    Well, there are many methods, but I don't think you really need a book here, as most of it comes with experience, and as your level of play increases, most of the thinking is done subsconsciously anyway...

    In a nutshell :

    "What is my opponent threatening, what is he trying to do ?" "Do I have any check, capture, threatening move ? Let's calculate them..." "What's the next move in my plan ?" "I don't have a plan, how can I improve my worst piece ?"

    Ah, and as Nunn and Tisdall have rightly pointed out, the Kotov's tree of analysis method just doesn't work, so you don't really need his famous book


     I've seen a number of "check list" style analysis systems, but I've never seen one that includes, "I don't have a plan, how can I improve my worst piece?" I think this is an excellent step, and I think I will employ this method during games on a trial basis.  

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #10

    Estragon

    TLAG is a bit advanced for you - and contains some flawed premises like the "tree of analysis" approach mentioned by hicetnunc above.

    The simpler version is to 1) check what your opponent's last move or two is trying to do, is there a threat?  or an opportunity?  2) visualize what you want to do, how you want your pieces to be placed if you could just put them where you wished, and then see if there is a plan to get them to those positions efficiently  3) make sure your candidate move or moves conform to basic principles, or have a good reason why they need not  4) look for what your opponent's move or two may have weakened, most moves have some drawbacks, what are his?

    One thing from TLAG that does work is:  analyze each variation in a tactical sequence only once.  If you keep going over the same lines you will just waste clock time and not get closer to a decision.  Check the line you choose once before playing the move, but only for something simple you may have missed.

     

    And a caution about "analyzing" in general.  Unless you are in a very forcing tactical sequence, it will quickly become impossible to analyze the possibilities thoroughly.  Analyze to look for hidden threats for both sides, but make your moves based on principled considerations.  You will win far more games in the long run by making good moves more quickly than by burning time trying to find the perfect move.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #11

    M8_you_lose

    What I'd do is just forget about books, and see the most forcing lines or train tactics. But don't don't take my word for it, I'm just a 1300 :(

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #12

    chessmaster102

    I have think like a grandmaster on pdf I can send it to you whenever you want it.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #13

    hicetnunc

    chessmaster102 wrote:

    I have think like a grandmaster on pdf I can send it to you whenever you want it.


    But that's a copyright breach, right ?

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #14

    chessmaster102

    idk I I've done it before if its illegal i'll stop but i havent gotten a warning or anything.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #15

    hicetnunc

    Shall we call Anova (owners of Batsford chess books rights) to check if they enforce their copyrights or just stop advertising the .pdf ? Yell

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  • 21 months ago · Quote · #16

    chessmaster102

    ok ill stop from now on

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #17

    SerbianChessStar

    You can download PDF's who cares your not the first person to download anything illegal.. probably the billionth person to do so.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #18

    chessmaster102

    lol

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #19

    hicetnunc

    SerbianChessStar wrote:

    You can download PDF's who cares your not the first person to download anything illegal.. probably the billionth person to do so.


    Sorry, but I do care : piracy is just killing the chess book publishing industry...

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #20

    Estragon

    hicetnunc wrote:
    SerbianChessStar wrote:

    You can download PDF's who cares your not the first person to download anything illegal.. probably the billionth person to do so.


    Sorry, but I do care : piracy is just killing the chess book publishing industry...


    It is a terrible problem for publishing in general.  Unfortunately there is no practical solution in an age of these digital interwebs.


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