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I hate opening theory!!!


  • 4 months ago · Quote · #1

    uri65

    Here is my problem - I have rather poor memory. And opening is where you need to memorize the most. I love all the aspects of chess except for opening theory which I find boring and uninspiring.

    Yesterday I made just another attempt to refine my d4 repertoire for an OTB game I have to play tomorrow and after 15 minutes I was fed up and bored to death. I feel like abandoning any further attempts. I was just wondering what will it mean in terms of future progress. I know like 3-5 moves in most of the openings and the rest I play by general principles. In OTB game it does cost me some extra time to find the reasonable moves but till now it never led to big disadvantage in the opening.

    I am 1644 OTB, study tactics, endgames, strategy, master games (which gives some indirect exposure to various openings by the way). Do you think it's reasonable not to learn opening at all and only do what I really enjoy?

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #2

    hicetnunc

    Yes, your approach is certainly reasonable, provided you don't play ultra-sharp openings.

    There are two good ways to learn opening theory without cramming material in your head :

    1. Play over master games who play the same openings than you do (this way you'll learn typical patterns and piece positions, which will help you find moves quicker in your games)
    2. Check your OTB games against a database, and look at the moment where you or you opponent deviated : try then to understand why the main move in the database is the main move (this method, a master friend of mine called it - 'learning opening theory one move at a time', and it's way more efficient than you would think...)
  • 4 months ago · Quote · #3

    uri65

    hicetnunc wrote:

    Yes, your approach is certainly reasonable, provided you don't play ultra-sharp openings.

    There are two good ways to learn opening theory without cramming material in your head :

    Play over master games who play the same openings than you do (this way you'll learn typical patterns and piece positions, which will help you find moves quicker in your games) Check your OTB games against a database, and look at the moment where you or you opponent deviated : try then to understand why the main move in the database is the main move (this method, a master friend of mine called it - 'learning opening theory one move at a time', and it's way more efficient than you would think...)

    Thanks hicetnunc. I always liked your posts and this one is no exception.

    Actually I did use both methods in the past although not very systematically. I especially like the 2nd one: right after the game is finished and you still remember what was in your head and why certain moves were made go and compare it to database. And it takes minimum of time.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #4

    duniel

    Yes, of course. Unless you intend to make your living by playing chess do not do anything you do not enjoy. On the other hand, maybe you just need to find right way to tudy openings. My way is the following:

    (1) I chose basic opening plan. I played this 10 moves against Ruy Lopez, this 10 moves against Sicilian and so on. I sticked to it.

    (2) After every game I play I look up a master game in the same opening variation I just played (preferably annotated) and go over it.

    If you do not like memorizing opening variations, this is maybe the way to go. Also, stay away from Poisoned-Pawn Najdorf, Meran end the like because you will keep losing to better prepared opposition.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #5

    trebejomaster

    Play Chess960.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #6

    uri65

    trebejomaster wrote:

    Play Chess960.


    I did in the past. That's an option of course but finding opponents is more difficult, especially OTB.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #7

    cuneglas

    If I want to learn a particular opening/variation, I find out which GM's specialise in that particular opening/variation. I collect all the games (in pgn format) and go over and over them until I get a good idea of where the pieces go and the general strategy. This is the only way I can learn the openings without being bored to death with variation after variation after variation with a += at the end. You can often supplement this with information freely available on the internet.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #8

    Vease

    The problem with not studying opening 'theory' is that you are always going to come across a move from your opponent that you have to work out what the point of it is and what a good (not necessarily best) reply is while they presumably know how the next few moves should go. Its hard to avoid, I started learning the Caro Kann recently and assumed there wasn't a huge load of stuff to learn if I stuck to the Karpov 4..Nd7 variation..unfortunately if someone hits you with 5.Ng5 or 5.Bc4 then 6.Ng5 theres a lot of tactics flying about that you have to watch out for as Black, so much for the Caro as the 'safe' positional choice!

    Your best option is to play something that really doesn't take up 3 pages of sub variations in ECO, the 'Exchange' variation of anything is usually good for this (not the Gruenfeld though!)

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #9

    uri65

    Vease wrote:

    The problem with not studying opening 'theory' is that you are always going to come across a move from your opponent that you have to work out what the point of it is and what a good (not necessarily best) reply is...


    That's exactly what happens - usually I am on my own from move 4, and not from move 9 or 12,  like somebody who knows the theory. I guess that's the price I am ready to pay for not learning the openings.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #10

    Roeczak

    play e4

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #11

    Candypants

    play colle system or just go 1. g3. If you go wrong, its not because of bad opening reportiare, its because of lack of general chess understanding. Btw i really like GM Roman movies which you can find on Youtube. They are really good if you want very strong but still simple openings. I would recommend them to anyone.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #12

    UnratedGamesOnly

    uri65 wrote:

    Here is my problem - I have rather poor memory. And opening is where you need to memorize the most. I love all the aspects of chess except for opening theory which I find boring and uninspiring.

    Yesterday I made just another attempt to refine my d4 repertoire for an OTB game I have to play tomorrow and after 15 minutes I was fed up and bored to death. I feel like abandoning any further attempts. I was just wondering what will it mean in terms of future progress. I know like 3-5 moves in most of the openings and the rest I play by general principles. In OTB game it does cost me some extra time to find the reasonable moves but till now it never led to big disadvantage in the opening.

    I am 1644 OTB, study tactics, endgames, strategy, master games (which gives some indirect exposure to various openings by the way). Do you think it's reasonable not to learn opening at all and only do what I really enjoy?


     "Learning" opening theory isnt important until you reach 2000

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #13

    JamesColeman

    Don't make the mistake of playing an opening like the Colle or some other system based opening just to solve the problem - this will only limit your chess development even more.

    I would keep doing what you are doing. Even when your theoretical knowledge ends, provided your move isn't a bad blunder, your opponent will most likely be on their own after that as well anyway and the battle begins.

    Having said that, as has already been mentioned, it's probably best not to play the sharpest openings where one slip really can be fatal.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #14

    ScarredEyes

    I agree. For instance, if I feel adventurous, I play 1.e4, and my opponent hits me with 1...c5. I don't mind, because in the end, I stick to general opening principles, and think what the pawn structure demands. Similarly, I normally play d4 and c4 openings, and I don't know the main lines to Reti, Slav or Semi-slav. I don't mind that too - I see it well. The only theory I know is the French and KID...and to be honest, as long as you have a sound base, and can create a long-term plan from move 2 or 3, you'll be fine. May end in a slight disadvantage, but if you can't memorize theory, this is prob the second best thing to rely on.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #15

    Michael-G

           There are some easy 1.d4 openings/systems you can learn by learning only the basic plans, like Rubinstein Attack or Colle.You can do the same as black.Choose  defenses that are based more on understanding than in memorisation.

            In my chess club I have a student that hates openings, he knows no lines at all , only the basic plans and ideas I  showed  him.He is also around 1600 FIDE rating only after a year playing and no one can get more than an equal position from the opening when playing with him , even the most prepared, and he always plays the same(meaning they have the chance to prepare against him).

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #16

    chrisr2212

    One way around not knowing the Opening theory is to be very well acquainted with the "principles of Opening play", though you will see modern grandmasters apparently breaking some of these from time to time (certain new ideas "in vogue" will have become popular). Then you can study the openings of GMs that interest you. I like that approach, but the drawback i find.. is that i can lose a lot of time thinking through variations early in the game, so as not to get caught out by a novelty or trap.

    Hence, it helps greatly to know variations pretty deeply.

    Some openings are easy to play, such as white against the Philidor or Pirc. I don't bother with opening theory there, but the French, Sicilian, Ruy Lopez require familiarity with more variations, especially as the opponents get tougher.

    Building your memory with techniques other than chess will make remembering easier in general. To check how far I remembered a variation, i would just play as far as I could on my own board, then add a move or two, thereby remembering the variations deeper each time I looked at them.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #17

    Vease

    ScarredEyes wrote:

    I agree. For instance, if I feel adventurous, I play 1.e4, and my opponent hits me with 1...c5. I don't mind, because in the end, I stick to general opening principles, and think what the pawn structure demands. Similarly, I normally play d4 and c4 openings, and I don't know the main lines to Reti, Slav or Semi-slav. I don't mind that too - I see it well. The only theory I know is the French and KID...and to be honest, as long as you have a sound base, and can create a long-term plan from move 2 or 3, you'll be fine. May end in a slight disadvantage, but if you can't memorize theory, this is prob the second best thing to rely on.


    Its good to think for yourself, some famous players were notoriously weak in the openings, Lasker, Reshevsky - even the mighty Capablanca relied mainly on his judgement rather than memorised variations to see him through the early stages. Having said that, there weren't the plethora of complex systems around back then that there are now. Hardly anybody played the Sicilian in any form for instance.

    When you say you don't know the theory of the semi-slav do you play the 5.e3 line? If you play 5.Bg5 and get the Botvinnik or Moscow variations its a total minefield unless you know precise move orders to get to a playable position.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #18

    cuneglas

    I also find that in closed and semi-closed systems especially, the pawn structure often dictates what plans to implement. The old 'Mastering the...' series are excellent for explaining plans based on pawn structure. It's a shame they didn't carry on with that series, as they are the only opening books I have found the most interesting and useful.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #19

    dengmei

    If you are a chess player, you cannot escape opening theories. Whether you like it or not you must.

    The importance of theories cannot be underestimated. Remember that 90% or more in top level chess is theory.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #20

    Michael-G

    yeah but 90% in low level chess is middlegame and endgame.

    You can avoid opening theory if you are clever.You can play openings that are based on understanding and not on lines.If you know the plans and the basic traps you can find the moves by yourself.It is better than memorising lines and play moves you don't understand like most do in "low level chess".


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