has anyone ever come across a puzzle where the first move sets off a chain of forced moves on both parts, that leads to mate...    as in after white makes this move...   black is forced to make this move, (like a check, or zugswang) which forces white to make this move..  which forces black to make that move, forcing white, and so on..  untill one or the other is mated...   this means besides the first move,  there is no choice in the matter of what either side does...

yep. i've seen a lot of forced mate combos. check out www.chess.com/tactics :)

are we talking about the same thing though...    i mean that white is actualy forced to checkmate black...  he has no other legal options but to checkmate him...  also... im not a paying member so i only get 10 tactics problems per day... and seeing as the vast majority of these are not what im looking for,  i doubt that i'll run across it any time soon...

batmanmg, I posted a puzzle some time ago with a forced self mate. In other words white forces black to checkmate it. Not sure if that was what you were looking for.

have a link?

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/more-puzzles/tricky-selfmate

well thats half there...     on blacks side its the right thing...   but what im trying to find is even trickier...     i want the forced moves to be on both sides...    essentialy... i want to find one where both white and black are like black was in that puzzle...