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If Capablanca played Carlsen for the world champion match, who would win?


  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #541

    Elubas

    "I think a lot of his success is due to his approach - avoiding opening prep and out playing guys in the endgame."

    And this approach doesn't rely on getting opening advantages, even against top level players. And that's simply incredible. It requires the pure quality of the moves he finds over the board to be that much better.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #542

    17rileyc

    I think Carlsen at his prime could beat Capablanca at his.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #543

    yureesystem

    Arawn_of_Annuvin wrote:

    yureesystem wrote:

    Capablanca and Carlsen is basically the same; Capablanca has better nerves than Carlsen and will give Capablanca  better chances to win a match.

    Are you and GreedyPawnEater the same person? What's with making statements like this without providing anything to back up your claim? Capablanca has better nerves than Carlsen? How do you know? How do you know what Carlsen's nerves are?  

     

     

     

     

     

    No, I am not GPE, he keep saying how great is the Soviet players and communist system and I never make this claim. Beside, I also never said Carlsen is not a good player. I am comparing Capablanca and Carlsen, these two gtreat players are not Soviets Laughing : and Capablanca had better nerves because he braving took the gambit pawn in the Ruy Lopez innovating by Marshall and defended a vicious attack and won. Carlsen tend to crack when being attack and against Anand in World champion match avoid the Slav defense, Semi-Slav and Meran and this was his way avoiding the complication; not so with Capablanca, he braving go into the complication against his opponents. Capa prove this by accepting a pawn sacrifice by Marshall and knowing his opponent will be better prepare and have a better understanding; Capa not only defended well but prove he had better nerves, Carlsen would of avoid this if a similar situation. Magnus avoid complication in Anand games in WCM  and this proves he doesn't have better nerves than Capa.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #544

    Arawn_of_Annuvin

    Look at Nakamura-Carlsen from Shamkir 2014.
  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #545

    fissionfowl

    As far as I understand the common view is that Carlsen's the very best nowadays at defending tough situations. Hardly wavers from the top computer lines.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #546

    SmyslovFan

    fissionfowl wrote:

    As far as I understand the common view is that Carlsen's the very best nowadays at defending tough situations. Hardly wavers from the top computer lines.

    Capa's opponents rarely challenged him in that regard. When Capa was challenged, every single game of an event (match or tournament), as in the Alekhin-Capa match, his technique abandoned him and his play deteriorated. If anything, Alekhin was the one with better technique in that match! 

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #547

    TheGreatOogieBoogie

    17rileyc wrote:

    I think Carlsen at his prime could beat Capablanca at his.

    Especially since Carlsen hasn't even hit his prime yet.  His best years are still ahead of him.  And he's currently the greatest of all time too.  

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #548

    Ziryab

    Arawn_of_Annuvin wrote:
    yureesystem wrote:

    Capablanca and Carlsen is basically the same; Capablanca has better nerves than Carlsen and will give Capablanca  better chances to win a match.

    Are you and GreedyPawnEater the same person? What's with making statements like this without providing anything to back up your claim? Capablanca has better nerves than Carlsen? How do you know? How do you know what Carlsen's nerves are?

    Yureesystem is certainly one of a kind. GPE is related to all trolls everywhere, but is an outlier because he may actually have some chess skill.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #549

    IMpatzer

    Have you ever watched carlsen play speed chess?

    I have never seen anyone so fast! He could give nigel short and guest71 more time and still beat them both at the same time! Me I am pretty brave I

    Will play anyone. That is until he became champion. A very nice champ he plays all kinds of social games as well he is good for chess!

    I do think with this guy I would be inclined to decline

    Even a social game! He is amazing many more

    Good years to you Magnus! But gary k your still

    My hero. 20 years as world champion! I know you like fischer as the best but I don't think he could

    Have carried the title that far. Even karpov could not

    And look how close you guys played in younger years. Now karpov plays positional chess like a stratavarious. Kind of like petrosians positional

    Skill. I always did say kasparov is tactical king and

    Karpov is positional king. Merely an opinion.

    Good chessing to you all!

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #550

    Irontiger

    Of course Carlsen. Is that a question?

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #551

    Ziryab

    Of course Carlsen would puke because of the stench. Is that a question?

    Wait a minute. There's no longer a stench coming from Capablanca's corpse. He has become dust.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #552

    Athanael

    Capablanca dominated his time more than Carlsen is dominating his time. Yeah, Carlsen's opponent might be better prepared (though this is questionable) but that's due to the more easily accessable resources players can rely on today. That Carlsen too can rely on. Capablanca didn't have more resources to learn from than his contemporaries, just like Carlsen doesnt. Yet again, wasn't Capa still more dominating? Carlsen is still young though, so he has chances to do better, we will see!

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #553

    yureesystem

    I must mention this I don't dislike Carlsen at all, he is fine player and he has goodsportmanship and good representative for chess: this of Carlsen I like a lot and he play chess without silly demands. I hope he is world champion for along time, maybe Magnus can change it back to the old format 24 games match and to qualify has a contender, players need to play in the interzonals tournament and three candidate matches to finally play the world champion and it should be every three years to give the world champ a rest. 

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #554

    SmyslovFan

    Magnus is in favor of doing away with the match-play format entirely. He prefers a tournament. 

    I hope he never gets his way in that respect.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #555

    yureesystem

    That is too bad, a tournament it is not a good way to choose the strongest contender to play against champ. It much better to play matches to dertermine the strongest challenger.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #556

    Ziryab

    SmyslovFan wrote:

    Magnus is in favor of doing away with the match-play format entirely. He prefers a tournament. 

    I hope he never gets his way in that respect.

    Amen!

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #557

    Justs99171

    IMpatzer wrote:

    Have you ever watched carlsen play speed chess?

    I have never seen anyone so fast! He could give nigel short and guest71 more time and still beat them both at the same time! Me I am pretty brave I

    Will play anyone. That is until he became champion. A very nice champ he plays all kinds of social games as well he is good for chess!

    I do think with this guy I would be inclined to decline

    Even a social game! He is amazing many more

    Good years to you Magnus! But gary k your still

    My hero. 20 years as world champion! I know you like fischer as the best but I don't think he could

    Have carried the title that far. Even karpov could not

    And look how close you guys played in younger years. Now karpov plays positional chess like a stratavarious. Kind of like petrosians positional

    Skill. I always did say kasparov is tactical king and

    Karpov is positional king. Merely an opinion.

    Good chessing to you all!

    I've seen amateurs play faster! I haven't seen very many chess pros these days that are not clutzy with the pieces. Do understand what I am telling you. I am referring specifically to this modern inability to manipulate chess pieces with fantastic digital dexterity. Everyone is learning chess with computers these days. Years ago people didn't have a database. They had to get a book and move pieces around. Go find some old footage of people playing blitz. There are bums in the park that can play faster than Carlsen.


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