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When a game is a dead draw (a simple endgame with bishops on opposite colors and only you have a pawn) and your opponent has less time left than you have, is it OK to move your king all over the place to win on time by avoiding a draw (repetition of position 3 times)?
I'm talking about extremely simple positions which are completely dead, absolutely no chance of either side winning.
In that situation I always let my opponent repeat the position 3 times to claim a draw, or if he or she has only a few seconds left, I just offer a draw.
Twice since I recently started playing chess here my opponent, just to win 9 rating points, would spend two minutes moving his king all over the board to win on time in dead draw position. I suggest these people don't care about their reputation.
I guess it depends.
If it's blitz and especially the online variety there is no such thing as "decency / sportsmanship" ... the two are quite at odds with each other, in my opinion. In fact, it's quite culturally educational and I've learned/looked up several swear words in multiple languages after flagging people. Who says this game doesn't bring the world together? :)
The clock happens to be a piece and if you've used it better, you deserve to milk that advantage for a win, even in your dead-drawn positions that still contain "material" enough to mate.
Speed chess is a different game ... on the ICC, I see GMs and titled players do this to each other from time to time. So not much help from the role models for this game :)
Pulling this stunt after a 30+ minute slow game might be another story ... or even worse, doing it at a regular tournament or club venue where you will likely to be labeled a jerk unless your opponent is just as cut-throat competitive as you are :)
For this reason alone, clocks with time-delays completely "null" out this silly (yet effective!) practice ... and if you want your blitz playing to be "ethically" cleaner , sign up to play blitz with time-delay!.
Of course it is. Absolutely no argument against using the rules to your advantage. If they don't like it I suggest they stop playing speed chess or leave more time on their clock.
I'm not saying wasting two minutes moving the king all over the board is illegal. I'm only saying it's a boring way to win 9 rating points. I'm talking about a position with bishop against bishop on an opposite color and one pawn. The game is a draw, but my opponent thought it would be fun to waste his time and my time squeezing a boring win out of it. For his 9 rating points he has my eternal contempt.
Yeah but you lost and he won. Why show mercy and throw away a win? I like to win.
"Why show mercy and throw away a win?"
For the respect that person would get. Isn't that worth more than two minutes wasted acting like a child?
I respect people that try to win, it's individual.
Most people don't remember other users anyway.
You respect people who spend 2 minutes moving their king randomly to avoid a draw in a dead draw position during a 10 minute game when they have 3 minutes and you have 2 minutes left. You respect their childishness. That's interesting.
Are there any normal people at this chess website?
I think childishness is going on a rant when you lose (that's right, lose, not draw) not playing moves you're unhappy with.
It's not drawn until the game is over. You shouldn't take a draw for granted.
That's what you need to understand. Don't play against the clock if you don't like it.
YOU SHOULD CLAIM A DRAW=ON ANOTHER SITE =PUBLIC CHESS= I BELIEVE THAT CAN BE DONE=CHESS.COM SHOULD SOMEDAY OFER THIS ALTERNATIVE
In related news, this guy flagged people in dead-drawn positions, reported that he got no respect and is quite fine with it.
Hey bobyyyy, you know what makes people seem like a jerk? When they ask a question of the general population and then try to belittle anyone with a different opinion. Someone does need to grow up all right but it isn't the guy who milked the clock on you.
The answer to your original question is clear: Of course it's OK! You've chosen to play a game where the clock is an important part of the contest, and your opponent seems to have managed his clock better than you: tough luck!
If you don't like the rules, why not quit playing the game?
I think Nakamura declined a draw in Tal memorial on Saturday when he had a K+N vs K+P.
A related question, for those defending the behaviour OP described with the argument "it is within the rules":
Is it ok to deliberately make an illegal move when very short on time in a tricky position? Opponent calling a judge to get his bonus X minutes gives a few extra minutes to think. This is also "within the rules".
Personally I find the latter behaviour cheating (but moving to Taiwan has taught me many new ... "ways" to handle difficult situations). Somehow playing on in a dead draw position feels more unethical than playing on opponents time in a dead lost position... strange.
I recently had plenty of time left on my clock. My opponent had two seconds left. We had just reached a dead draw position. I offered a draw and my opponent accepted it. I didn't win 9 rating points but I won this person's respect. I'm suggesting having a good reputation is better than doing anything to win, no matter how childish, when the game is a draw.
Everyone's rating eventually gets to the level it should be. So is it really necessary to have reputation for childish behavior when the rating points will be won in future games?
In chess and in life, being inconsiderate is legal, but it's not good for a person's reputation.
Being able to win 'drawn' games isn't 'false' rating points.
Right. They are "true" rating points that would have been earned eventually anyway so why not be a nice person when there's an opportunity to do that?
I'm curious, what part of "Everyone's rating eventually gets to the level it should be." don't you understand?
Your rating will never get to the rating it 'should' be if you keep throwing away points and half points.
I don't agree with that comment anyway, with constant improvement your rating will never get to the level it 'should' be.
"Didn't this guy look at the clock? Does he not know the rules?"
I did look at my clock. I did know the rules. And my opponent knew this. I saw an opportunity to be fair and I took it. I won my opponents respect. Obviously that's something you don't care about. You would rather waste two minutes acting like a child, moving your king randomly to avoid repeating the position 3 times, than be a civilized person.
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