Internet ELO ratings compared to actual FIDE ratings

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1st September 2009, 12:46pm
#21
by ichabod801
Maryland United States
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 Intertnet surveys are unfortunately not a good source of unbiased data.

1st September 2009, 01:12pm
#22
by Kallatroh
Sweden
Member Since: Aug 2009
Member Points: 39
ichabod801 wrote:

 Intertnet surveys are unfortunately not a good source of unbiased data.


You have a better idea?

1st September 2009, 01:42pm
#23
by ichabod801
Maryland United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 809
Kallatroh wrote:
ichabod801 wrote:

 Intertnet surveys are unfortunately not a good source of unbiased data.


You have a better idea?


 Yes, a couple. I'm working on one of them right now, as I stated earlier in this thread.

1st September 2009, 07:38pm
#24
by shakmatnykov
United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 119

The most difficult problem to account for when attempting to convert a rating awarded by one chess organization into an 'equivalent' rating awarded by another is the fact that most,if not all, of these rating systems are (over the course of time)  in a continuous process of modification due to administrative tinkering.

The typical chess organization adopts a reasonable formula for the calculation of ratings, (Elo ,Glicko,etc.) and is then unable to resist the urge to modify it.

More often than not, this is done with the best of intentions. Nevertheless, the integrity of the formula itself is inevitably compromised.

2nd September 2009, 12:02am
#25
by 87654321
England
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 302

Yes that's certainly true, given a few variables to tinker with people cannot resist eg contemplating increasing rds (already too high at chess.com) for no good reason other than you can.

Overall for me the various governing bodies and also the new dot com outfits are doing a good job in aggregating the grades.

Anomalies will always happen on the net for personal reasons, centaurs etc. But its hoped these are a minority.

>:)

2nd September 2009, 12:34am
#26
by philtheforce
bristol England
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 1091

In England, we use BCF ratings which can be converted into a FIDE rating ......

2nd September 2009, 12:46am
#27
by pod1000
United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 84
gambitattack wrote:

Hey everyone,

I was just curious about something, how accurate is your internet rating compared to an actual FIDE rating? I've heard from some chess players that in certain internet chess site like ICC (internet chess club) and playchess.com (chessbase), your internet rating is actually quite reflective of a 'FIDE' rating as compared to a smaller chess playing site. 

I myself personally don't have a official FIDE rating (I just don't have the time to travel to clubs and go for tournaments..I prefer the convenience of home. ) I do have an account on playchess.com which i play regularly online with. Would anyone out there with an actual 'FIDE" rating and a playchess.com rating care to share some light on how similar they are? Likewise, for anyone else with an actual FIDE rating and an ICC account (or other chess sites) care to throw in their comparative figures as well.  (Oh, and not forgetting chess.com as well)

Thanks so much!


Only the ICC "autopairing" is a good reflection of OTB FIDE ratings, as players cannot choose their opponents. There is a lot of rating inflation on the ordinary 5 minute ratings on the ICC (e.g. many GM's over 3000), but far less on the 5 minute autopairing (max about 2700). 

Within this, the kind of titled opposition (FM's, IM's, GM's), and the fast time control is a good simulation for playing in strong OTB events, where intuition, speed of calculation, knowledge of openings, and good endgame technique means that you should get a good FIDE rating, if you can do well in tough blitz environments like the ICC autopairing or the Chessbase server where you don't try and inflate your rating by choosing people with low risk of losing.

Correspondence chess ratings are completely different and they are more of a reflection of accuracy and concrete deep analysis. Often many titled players have very high ratings on the major blitz servers, so I think blitz chess has a higher correlation because it lets the stronger players demonstrate more clearly their faster intuition and greater opening knowledge, etc, than correspondence style allows.  

2nd September 2009, 03:24am
#28
by nuclearturkey
International
Member Since: Aug 2009
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philtheforce wrote:

In England, we use BCF ratings which can be converted into a FIDE rating ......


Really?

2nd September 2009, 03:29am
#29
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4095

Germany used to have their own rating system too, called ingo zahl or something like that. I wonder if they still do ? I think it would simplify things if all countries went by fide/elo ratings myself. I had an ingo-zahl when I was in Germany (80s) of 96 or 97 , which I didnt understand what this meant. I saw GM Larry Christiansen playing in a tourney while there and his was like 39, which is the lowest I had seen. But the lower the number the stronger the player !  I dont know if they still use this rating system or not but I never did get used to it.

7th October 2009, 12:24pm
#30
by huisje
Netherlands
Member Since: Oct 2009
Member Points: 26

 

There are a lot of different rating systems.

I guess a lot of players like to play blitz games on the internet.

Thought the blitz ratings cannot accurately be compared with ELO or BCF ratings I have found a table of comparison which might give you an indication of what your position could be in another rating system.

 

BCF

ELO

   BLITZ

80

1650

1173

90

1700

1286

100

1750

1402

110

1800

1515

120

1850

1617

130

1900

1711

140

1950

1798

150

2000

1880

160

2050

1957

170

2100

2030

180

2150

2101

190

2200

2168

200

2250

2232

210

2300

2295

220

2350

n.a

230

2400

n.a

240

2450

n.a

250

2500

n.a

260

2550

n.a

 

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