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Is Chess on the verge of being solved?


  • 3 years ago · Quote · #201

    DrSpudnik

    Even if true, no human is going to sit there and recall from memory the trillion moves needed to prove it.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #202

    Morris_W3

    I certainly hope chess will not be "solved".  It to me sounds something like "can women ever be understood?"  (apologies to female readers), but I feel like when I'm playing a game - a really good game - the end result is less important than the journey and the true enjoyment comes from each player in a give-and-tke situation and that's true whether the ratings involved are

    2400> or 1200<.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #203

    RooksBailey

    I can't help but to think this is the beginning of the end of traditional chess.  The computer scientist who solved the Kings Gambit has said that he is going to solve other openings as well.  While no player will be able to commit to memory every possible line of play for an OTB game, once the "solutions" are posted online - as the computer scientist said he is going to do - CC play is going to be ruined because people will just consult the file for each move. 

    Looks like it is time to abandon traditional chess for Chess960.  Somewhere Fischer is smiling.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #204

    fburton

    Don't worry, there's probably more chess left than oil!

    Have we even reached "peak chess" yet? Undecided

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #205

    madhacker

    Chessbase just admitted it was an April fool

    http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=8051

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #206

    antioxidant

    RooksBailey wrote:

    I can't help but to think this is the beginning of the end of traditional chess.  The computer scientist who solved the Kings Gambit has said that he is going to solve other openings as well.  While no player will be able to commit to memory every possible line of play for an OTB game, once the "solutions" are posted online - as the computer scientist said he is going to do - CC play is going to be ruined because people will just consult the file for each move. 

    Looks like it is time to abandon traditional chess for Chess960.  Somewhere Fischer is smiling.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #207

    antioxidant

    thanks there is still chess 960 if we arrive at that moment in time where traditional chess is already database., where it will become obsolete.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #208

    AndyClifton

    ncpharaoh wrote:

    I still stand by my opinion.

    Fortunately, I don't remember what it was.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #209

    TyrannusVerticalis

    In the distant future, the computer capacity may exist to reduce all possible chess positions to a Nalimov table base analogue.

    But our brains will never be able to retain all that data for OTB play.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #210

    RooksBailey

    madhacker wrote:

    Chessbase just admitted it was an April fool

    http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=8051

    Thank the Lord!  I could kiss you for posting this link!  Kiss  I believed the article and was really depressed yesterday because I thought my favorite game of all time was on the verge of being ruined! 

    What a relief!

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #211

    AndyClifton

    Indeed, there has never been cause to worry:

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #212

    antioxidant

    my nephew dont play good chess but he plays playstation .there is so called emulator which is like a database for chess and can research for his moves just by cellphone.ive tried playing with my nephew but i won butmy winning didnt reflect much of it because he was not accomodated of something he forget to avail of the emulator .am not familiar with cellphone as it is very little for me to read and to punch so i hate cellphone but with database already existing i dont wonder why they find best moves if they know of it.,but i dont think they will have a respect for winning in their own way because it is another form of cheating.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #213

    crtlew

    Using an emulator is cheating in tournament play.  In any case how can anyone progress his own chess game unless they use their own mellon?  Losing is one of the best way to progress, not computers guidance and a fake high rating. 

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #214

    antioxidant

    yes i have plenty of losses to a lower rated players than me,i have been playing chess according to my wits and knowledge and experience from continous playing .it doesnt matter anymore to me  as i am already old,i just  dont understand why they should have high respect for themselves  inspite of consultation to database and still happy about winning.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #215

    antioxidant

    yes i have plenty of losses to a lower rated players than me,i have been playing chess according to my wits and knowledge and experience from continous playing .it doesnt matter anymore to me  as i am already old,i just  dont understand why they should have high respect for themselves  inspite of consultation to database and still happy about winning.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #216

    antioxidant

    chrisr2212 wrote:

    you'd be surprised how many people enjoy deceiving themselves

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #217

    antioxidant

    ive been reading about psychology books for every other day,i found out lion stands for self interest, the greediest part of nature which we we call the lions share in idioms where everything falls for the lions mind.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #218

    antioxidant

    i am reading psychology books every other day,people are like lions in constant search for prey .no matter what it is for self preservation or lions share in idioms what is obtainable is obtainable,lions are the most expess  formin animals same also with nature of mankind., form of the greediest form of animals and also to mankind.which to ethics is the end does not justify the means and vice versa.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #219

    antioxidant

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  • 3 years ago · Quote · #220

    stpasta

    Shivsky wrote:

    Wouldn't solve something from a "computer programming" perspective  be having a lookup table that has "best move" responses from any theoretically possible position on the board?

    If by "theoretically possible position" you mean position that reachable from the starting formation, then yes. This is different than every possible allotment of pieces on the board. e.g. it's theoretically possible (in one sense) to have pawns on both players' back rows, and (in another sense) it is also theoretically impossible. e.g. it's theoretically possible to have a board with a white pawn in every square in one sense, but in another sense it's not.


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