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11th November 2009, 12:31pm
#1
by Mountain-man
East Coast Canada
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 11

Does anyone know of a situation where it would be advantageous to promote to a knight instead of queen. I suppose it might be possible to have a situation where promoting to Knight would cause check mate. Just curious.

11th November 2009, 12:44pm
#2
by Phssthpok
Surrey England
Member Since: Sep 2009
Member Points: 186

The other main reason for underpromotion is where promoting to a queen would result in stalemate.

11th November 2009, 12:44pm
#3
by Tricklev
Sweden
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 2191

I´ve onced promoted to a bishop to deliver checkmate.

Mostly because I didn't have any queen or spare rook to place upside down.

Not that this answers your question though.

11th November 2009, 12:52pm
#4
by rooperi
Gamtoos River Mouth South Africa
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 10779

U cant be bothered to type this out in puzzle format, Mate in 4

The MOTHER of all underpromotion tasks. Black promotes to a Queen White has to promote to a Queen, Black promotes to a Rook, White has to promote to a Rook, Black promotes to a Bishop, White has to promote to a Bishop, Black promotes to a Knight, White has to promote to a Knight.

1. L. Yarosh, Shakhmaty v SSSR, March 1983




Mate in 4
1.Rxh4 cxb1Q 2.axb8Q Qxb2 3.Qb3 Qc3 4.Qxc3#
Qe4 3.Qxf4 Qxf4 4.Rxf4#
cxb1R 2.axb8Q? Rxb2 3.Qb3 stalemate
2.axb8R! Rxb2 3.Rb3 Kxc4 4.Rxf4#
cxb1B 2.axb8Q? Be4 3.Qxf4 stalemate
2.axb8B! Be4 3.Bxf4 Bxh1 4.Be3#
cxb1N 2.axb8Q? Nxd2 and no mate
2.axb8N! Nxd2 3.Nc6+ Kc3 4.Rc1#







Notes:
14 + 8 = 22 pieces
key: takes Knight, creates pin, provides for checks
flight squares before/after key: 0/0
Black, White moves/captures to promote: capture - capture



Underpromotion
motivations: Black White
Rook flight creating selfpin unguarding flight square
Bishop anticipatory selfpin pin avoidance
Knight flight creating capture takes flights

The first direct-mate Babson Task.
11th November 2009, 01:00pm
#5
by goldendog
beertopia United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 9137

Sometimes in r v. p endgames, promoting to a knight with check staves off a mate in one.

11th November 2009, 01:02pm
#6
by JamesMazur2
New York United States
Member Since: Oct 2009
Member Points: 248

Yes, usually to give check.  A much more difficult problem is a reason why you would want to promote to a bishop...

11th November 2009, 01:17pm
#7
by ogerboy
Sydney Australia
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 710
11th November 2009, 01:29pm
#8
by fredgambit
Valence France
Member Since: Nov 2009
Member Points: 6

Nice!

 

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