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Is there any chance that a 1300 rated player can beat a 2700 rated player?


  • 6 days ago · Quote · #1261

    Estragon

    Ubik42 wrote:
    LongIslandMark wrote:
    AndyClifton wrote:

    Only after he'd typed Hamlet!

    I didn't work out the math not knowing how many letters (and spaces) are in Hamlet, but on a guess I would say typing Hamlet is more likely.

    ehhh...not working it out exactly either I am going to go the other way on it. What is the average number of moves in a particular chess position? like 30 or so? With an average game length of say 40 moves, having the chimp guess correctly there would seem much easier than getting one of 26 letters right for the length of an entire book.

    Actually, the whole thing about 1000 chimpanzees eventually typing a Shakespearian play given unlimited time is not statistically correct, it is a myth. 

    Chimpanzees could never beat Carlsen, but they might stand a chance of drawing, given his recent draw %.

  • 6 days ago · Quote · #1262

    LongIslandMark

    Ubik42 wrote:
    LongIslandMark wrote:
    AndyClifton wrote:

    Only after he'd typed Hamlet!

    I didn't work out the math not knowing how many letters (and spaces) are in Hamlet, but on a guess I would say typing Hamlet is more likely.

    ehhh...not working it out exactly either I am going to go the other way on it. What is the average number of moves in a particular chess position? like 30 or so? With an average game length of say 40 moves, having the chimp guess correctly there would seem much easier than getting one of 26 letters right for the length of an entire book.

    I stand corrected. Wikipedia gives the monkeys, ignoring punctuation and spacing, and Hamlet at 130K letters, typing like crazy, roughly the life of the universe and they still wouldn't get it right.

    Assuming legal moves (of course) for a rough order of magnitude calculation, assuming no pieces exchanged (just a rough calc) we have 2 x Rook x 16 squares, 2 x N x 8 squares, 2 x B x 16, 1 x Q x 32, 1 x K x8, and 8 x P x 1 (ignoring pawns can move two on first move). Obviously that is an upper limit as pieces are exchanged and not all pieces can be moved to all their possible extent each turn due to the board position.

    Given the idea of even 100 moves for a game, if I've added correctly, that would give us 128 to the 100'th power.

    Wikipedia gives the monkeys to type Hamlet more like 3 to the 184K power.

    So I was a little bit off....

  • 6 days ago · Quote · #1263

    SmyslovFan

    Someone actually put typewriters in a room full of chimps. The most they got was the letter S repeated numerous times. They also got typewriters filled with excrement. 

    Some may say that's an improvement over what some humans have written, especially in chess forums.Sealed

  • 6 days ago · Quote · #1264

    Atomic_Rift

    Sergey is beating Carlsen right now!

    By 1/5 of a pawn...

  • 5 days ago · Quote · #1265

    ClavierCavalier

    SmyslovFan wrote:

    Someone actually put typewriters in a room full of chimps. The most they got was the letter S repeated numerous times. They also got typewriters filled with excrement. 

    Some may say that's an improvement over what some humans have written, especially in chess forums.

    Don't forget the typewriter that was thrown through the window that let the chimps escape.

  • 5 days ago · Quote · #1266

    LongIslandMark

    ClavierCavalier wrote:
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    Don't forget the typewriter that was thrown through the window that let the chimps escape.

    Chimps are not dim. They knew what the important thing to do with the typewriter was.


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