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Is this position a draw ?


  • 14 months ago · Quote · #1

    Tantale

    You can use chess engines

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #2

    browni3141

    Tantale wrote:

    You can use chess engines

     

    Let me guess... they won't help wil they? There's also one too many pieces/pawns for the 6 piece tablebases to help.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #3

    Tantale

    Well ...

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #4

    Tantale

    If nowbody answers I go to bed in 10 minutes

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #5

    DKof

    I looked at Nh2+ Kg3 and this does not seem to prevent black from queening the pawn, at least when white follows with Nf1+.  Black does need to sac. his bishop to save his pawn, prevent mate and get the queen in this scenario.


    Nh2+ Ke3 looks to work out even better for black.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #6

    waffllemaster

    The idea is a fortress right?  Something like this may hold



  • 14 months ago · Quote · #7

    waffllemaster

    DKof wrote:

    I looked at Nh2+ Kg3 and this does not seem to prevent black from queening the pawn, at least when white follows with Nf1+.  Black does need to sac. his bishop to save his pawn, prevent mate and get the queen in this scenario.

     


    Nh2+ Ke3 looks to work out even better for black.

    Oops, forgot about Kg3.  Black wins easily there.

    So I don't see a save for white.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #8

    Tantale

    1.Nh2+ Kg3 2.Bf7 a1=Q 3.Nf1+

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #9

    waffllemaster

    Oh, and if king takes there's a mate.  I'm no good at spotting these weird mating nets :)

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #10

    Tantale

    There is no mate

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #11

    waffllemaster

    Tantale wrote:

    There is no mate


    There is no forced mate, but the point is Kxh3 gets black mated and any other move fails to win because of that fortress.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #12

    Tantale

    and after 1.Nh2+ Kg3 2.Bf7 a1=Q 3.Nf1+ Kg4

    ?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #13

    waffllemaster

    Seems to be a language barrier (or you're not reading what I've said twice now).  I'll try a diagram.



  • 14 months ago · Quote · #14

    Estragon

    waffllemaster wrote:

    Seems to be a language barrier (or you're not reading what I've said twice now).  I'll try a diagram.

     



    5 ... Qd4+ 6 Kh2 Bf6, with the idea of eventually playing ...Bf6-e5+-b8-a7 and setting up a mating threat at g1, is a chance against that set-up.  Can't say I've analyzed it out to a win, though.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #15

    waffllemaster

    I dunno, at a glance it seems because the knights hit all the dark squares around white's king, black can't do anything useful.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #16

    DKof

    Seems black has some good options with Bf6 or Qe1.  Black getting his King to h6 also puts more pressure on white since it eliminates any checks.


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