Kasparov's Anger

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13th March 2009, 10:54am
#1
by Mimchi
United States
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When Kasparov was asked what he thought about Judit Polgar, the immensely talented Hungarian chess genius, he replied that she is a,"trained dog" (as in, she was brought up by her father to play chess and has no real talent.) Is this proper behavior from the World Champion? I respected Kasparov very much, but after this comment I am truly taken aback.

13th March 2009, 11:07am
#2
by kenmack
United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 310

Kasparov is a russian blowhard.  Pay no attention to his words, they are meaningless.

13th March 2009, 11:13am
#3
by steevmartuns
Pennsylvania United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 526

Polgar and Kasparov have had a run-in in the past...

"In 1994 she suffered a controversial defeat at the hands of then-world champion Garry Kasparov, the highest-rated chessplayer of all time. Kasparov changed his mind after making a losing move and then made another move instead. According to chess rules, once a player has released a piece s/he cannot make a different move, so Kasparov should have been made to play his original move. However, Polgár did not challenge this because she says there were no witnesses and an arbiter was not around. She was also unaware at the time that the re-move was caught on tape by a television crew. The tournament director was criticised for not forfeiting Kasparov when the videotape evidence was made available to him.[7] However, she won a rapid chess game against Kasparov in 2002." -Wikipedia

Maybe there is still some tension between them?

13th March 2009, 11:15am
#4
by JetSetter
United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 195

mimchi....how about a year and source for that quote?

13th March 2009, 11:21am
#5
by richie_and_oprah
Marie Byrd Land International
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 1861

Opinion are like belly buttons.

Everyone has one and some of them are smelly.

13th March 2009, 11:23am
#6
by Sigmarsson
Canada
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 147
kenmack wrote:

Kasparov is a russian blowhard. . . 


Not just a blowhard, but a Russian blowhard! That is harsh.

If he was a nice guy, would you call him a Russian nice guy?

13th March 2009, 11:24am
#7
by kibuyaga
olympia fields United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 87

The rules should have been enfoorced period!!!

13th March 2009, 11:27am
#8
by JetSetter
United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 195
kibuyaga wrote:

The rules should have been enfoorced period!!!


LOL...so naive...FIDE overlooks the rules when certain individuals are involved.

13th March 2009, 11:32am
#9
by phishcake5
California United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 793
steevmartuns wrote:

Polgar and Kasparov have had a run-in in the past...

"In 1994 she suffered a controversial defeat at the hands of then-world champion Garry Kasparov, the highest-rated chessplayer of all time. Kasparov changed his mind after making a losing move and then made another move instead. According to chess rules, once a player has released a piece s/he cannot make a different move, so Kasparov should have been made to play his original move. However, Polgár did not challenge this because she says there were no witnesses and an arbiter was not around. She was also unaware at the time that the re-move was caught on tape by a television crew. The tournament director was criticised for not forfeiting Kasparov when the videotape evidence was made available to him.[7] However, she won a rapid chess game against Kasparov in 2002." -Wikipedia

Maybe there is still some tension between them?


 I was pretty surprised at this the first time I heard it several years ago but considering some of the wacky things chess players have been documented to do over the decades I probably shouldn't have been.

13th March 2009, 12:03pm
#10
by kenmack
United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 310

Sigmarson, thank you for your question it is as humorous as it is irrelevant.

13th March 2009, 12:24pm
#11
by phishcake5
California United States
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Member Points: 793

Kasparov may or may not be a blowhard (ok he is).  But he is definitely an interesting person to listen to or read imho (always enjoyed his appearances on Charlie Rose).  

13th March 2009, 12:28pm
#12
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 3989
Mimchi wrote:

When Kasparov was asked what he thought about Judit Polgar, the immensely talented Hungarian chess genius, he replied that she is a,"trained dog" (as in, she was brought up by her father to play chess and has no real talent.) Is this proper behavior from the World Champion? I respected Kasparov very much, but after this comment I am truly taken aback.


 I have never heard this before, do you have a reliable source for this ?

13th March 2009, 12:38pm
#13
by sharkpoet
pennsylvania United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 5813
JetSetter wrote:
kibuyaga wrote:

The rules should have been enfoorced period!!!


LOL...so naive...FIDE overlooks the rules when certain individuals are involved.


Fide?? overlooking rules???? BAH!! I mean, the next thing you are going to tell me is that the russians no longer hold the world chess title and it actually belongs to someone from India who could never beat Kasparov.  Such preposterous things spoken on this website.

13th March 2009, 12:39pm
#14
by phishcake5
California United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 793
Reb wrote:
Mimchi wrote:

When Kasparov was asked what he thought about Judit Polgar, the immensely talented Hungarian chess genius, he replied that she is a,"trained dog" (as in, she was brought up by her father to play chess and has no real talent.) Is this proper behavior from the World Champion? I respected Kasparov very much, but after this comment I am truly taken aback.


 I have never heard this before, do you have a reliable source for this ?


 Heard it before but unfortunately I can't recall where.

13th March 2009, 12:41pm
#15
by DJHeilke
United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 41

"According to chess rules, once a player has released a piece s/he cannot make a different move"

 

Not sure when this changed, or if I'm confusing FIDE rules with USCF, but the last I checked, a player's move is not complete until he touches the clock.  The piece touch is only rellevant in that that piece must be moved, but it is perfectly legal to touch a piece, release it, move it, release it, move it back, think a while, etc. as long as all the time is coming off your own clock.  It might be bad form or bad ettiquete, but it is not, as far as I know, against the technical rules of chess.  Maybe that is why she did not challenge....

13th March 2009, 12:53pm
#16
by spoiler
North Bergen, New Jersey United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 311

Although the comment (if true) is a bit rude, it's definitely not untrue.  When she was ( they were ) born , She was pencilled in to be a chess pupil from the start.  I wonder if the girls ever thought that they had a choice of exploring something else.  But I think it's true with most young kids, once they hear:  Ok you don't have to go to school, but you must learn chess instead, what do you think they'd choose?Wink

In short, dog? No, But trained? Oh yeah!

13th March 2009, 01:00pm
#17
by kenmack
United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 310

Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation, Spoiler.  All chess masters are trained on some level. Oh yeah!

13th March 2009, 01:11pm
#18
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2985
DJHeilke wrote:

"According to chess rules, once a player has released a piece s/he cannot make a different move"

 

Not sure when this changed, or if I'm confusing FIDE rules with USCF, but the last I checked, a player's move is not complete until he touches the clock.  The piece touch is only rellevant in that that piece must be moved, but it is perfectly legal to touch a piece, release it, move it, release it, move it back, think a while, etc. as long as all the time is coming off your own clock.


The move is not complete until the clock is pushed. But the move is determined as soon as your hand releases from the piece. So you cannot put a piece on a square, let go of it, decide you don't like that move and switch to a different one.

In between releasing the piece and pushing the clock your move is determined, but not yet completed. This is the time to claim a draw on threefold repetition or 50 move rule, or to offer a draw.

13th March 2009, 01:19pm
#19
by AMcHarg
Livingston Scotland
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 843
Loomis wrote:
DJHeilke wrote:

"According to chess rules, once a player has released a piece s/he cannot make a different move"

 

Not sure when this changed, or if I'm confusing FIDE rules with USCF, but the last I checked, a player's move is not complete until he touches the clock.  The piece touch is only rellevant in that that piece must be moved, but it is perfectly legal to touch a piece, release it, move it, release it, move it back, think a while, etc. as long as all the time is coming off your own clock.


The move is not complete until the clock is pushed. But the move is determined as soon as your hand releases from the piece. So you cannot put a piece on a square, let go of it, decide you don't like that move and switch to a different one.

In between releasing the piece and pushing the clock your move is determined, but not yet completed. This is the time to claim a draw on threefold repetition or 50 move rule, or to offer a draw.


 I don't agree with this at all.  In my opinion the move is completed as soon as you take your fingers off the piece.  The other player doesn't have to wait for you to hit your clock before they make their move.  The clock is irrelevant as far as the game is concerned, if neither player wanted to even touch the clock during the game then they are officially and technically entitled to not bother.  I think that's the FIDE rules but I have no idea what the USCF rules are.  It's also the rules in my country as far as I am aware.

13th March 2009, 01:34pm
#20
by pnc2000
new delhi India
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 4
sharkpoet wrote:

Fide?? overlooking rules???? BAH!! I mean, the next thing you are going to tell me is that the russians no longer hold the world chess title and it actually belongs to someone from India who could never beat Kasparov.  Such preposterous things spoken on this website.


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