Kasparov's Anger

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13th March 2009, 01:47pm
#21
by fleiman
Carmiel Israel
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phishcake5 wrote:
Reb wrote:
Mimchi wrote:

When Kasparov was asked what he thought about Judit Polgar, the immensely talented Hungarian chess genius, he replied that she is a,"trained dog" (as in, she was brought up by her father to play chess and has no real talent.) Is this proper behavior from the World Champion? I respected Kasparov very much, but after this comment I am truly taken aback.


 I have never heard this before, do you have a reliable source for this ?


 Heard it before but unfortunately I can't recall where.


 I've also not heard it. I think that for such accusations should be reference to

the available source. May be it's  not accurate citation .

13th March 2009, 02:04pm
#22
by SukerPuncher333
Canada
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AMcHarg wrote:

I don't agree with this at all. In my opinion the move is completed as soon as you take your fingers off the piece. The other player doesn't have to wait for you to hit your clock before they make their move. The clock is irrelevant as far as the game is concerned, if neither player wanted to even touch the clock during the game then they are officially and technically entitled to not bother. I think that's the FIDE rules but I have no idea what the USCF rules are. It's also the rules in my country as far as I am aware.


If my opponent makes his move before I hit the clock, then he's essentially using my time to make his move -- seems a little unfair.

The time you spend picking up the piece and putting it down onto another square -- that time should be from your own clock, not stolen from your opponent's.

13th March 2009, 02:58pm
#23
by fncll
Alaska United States
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And Kasparov, trained from his earliest years at the best chess school the Soviet Union had to offer is somehow less of a trained dog? He's certainly a stronger player, but he's stronger than almost everyone!

If he did say she was a "trained dog," it was uncalled for and it has nothing do with feminism. I think he's victim of ego and a strong cultural bias... and taking back that move was totally uncool.

That being said, I like that Kasparov can be excitable and over the top. It makes him interesting. I've always enjoyed the interviews I've seen and while he may be politically naive compared to the top players in THAT game, he shows a heck of a lot more knowledge than many other grandmasters who are so deadly dull when I hear them talking that I want to pour molten lead into my ears to make it stop.

13th March 2009, 02:58pm
#24
by Mimchi
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Reb wrote:
Mimchi wrote:

When Kasparov was asked what he thought about Judit Polgar, the immensely talented Hungarian chess genius, he replied that she is a,"trained dog" (as in, she was brought up by her father to play chess and has no real talent.) Is this proper behavior from the World Champion? I respected Kasparov very much, but after this comment I am truly taken aback.


 I have never heard this before, do you have a reliable source for this ?


HERE IS THE SOURCE, FOR EVERYONE WHO IS ASKING

END GAME, by Dominic Lawson, chapter 2, page 22, line 13(I quote): ...when he was asked his opinion of the chessplaying talent of the Hungarian girl prodigy Judit Polgar, who was taught nothing but chess from infancy by an obsessive father, Kasparov described her as a 'trained dog'.

13th March 2009, 04:16pm
#25
by NM Reb
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I believe your move is complete when you release a piece or pawn onto a new square, whether you press your clock or not, since you are not free to make another move anyway due to the rules. What if a player makes a move and forgets to press the clock ? This happens frequently and the other player does NOT have to wait till you do press your clock to make a move , though he may just sit there and let your time run. Some will remind an opponent that they forgot their clock, others will not.

13th March 2009, 05:18pm
#26
by richie_and_oprah
Marie Byrd Land International
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Member Points: 1861
Reb wrote:

I believe your move is complete when you release a piece or pawn onto a new square, whether you press your clock or not, since you are not free to make another move anyway due to the rules. What if a player makes a move and forgets to press the clock ? This happens frequently and the other player does NOT have to wait till you do press your clock to make a move , though he may just sit there and let your time run. Some will remind an opponent that they forgot their clock, others will not.


Technically it is not your turn untill the clock is pressed, according to strict rule interpretation which states that touching the clock "completes an players move."  Making  a prior to the clock being touched is therefore a violation because the player doing so is technically doing so when it is not their turn to do so.

Depending on federation, telling the opponent may be a breach of sportsmanship ethics, and could be addressed punitively as such, by an arbiter.

 

The rules are purposely vague to give arbiters leeway.

There are three sides to high level chess encounters:

  1. White
  2. Black
  3. The Arbiter

Arbiters usually display an amazingly arrogant neutrality, which according to the rules they themselves penned for themselves to follow, is their job to uphold.

13th March 2009, 05:52pm
#27
by goldendog
beertopia United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 2373
Mimchi wrote:
Reb wrote:
Mimchi wrote:

When Kasparov was asked what he thought about Judit Polgar, the immensely talented Hungarian chess genius, he replied that she is a,"trained dog" (as in, she was brought up by her father to play chess and has no real talent.) Is this proper behavior from the World Champion? I respected Kasparov very much, but after this comment I am truly taken aback.


 I have never heard this before, do you have a reliable source for this ?


HERE IS THE SOURCE, FOR EVERYONE WHO IS ASKING

END GAME, by Dominic Lawson, chapter 2, page 22, line 13(I quote): ...when he was asked his opinion of the chessplaying talent of the Hungarian girl prodigy Judit Polgar, who was taught nothing but chess from infancy by an obsessive father, Kasparov described her as a 'trained dog'.


 In The Inner Game (Lawson), Short refers to Judit as Lassie, in the same vein.

13th March 2009, 09:11pm
#28
by NM tonydal
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 4753

pnc, please tell me you were just kidding around with your post.  If not, looks like it's about time for a sense of humor transplant...

13th March 2009, 10:13pm
#29
by Narz
Pitman, New Jersey United States
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Member Points: 2813

Wait, why is she a "trained dog" but the dozens of other male chess players trained from an early age are not?  Or perhaps it's not a male/female thing, perhaps he just resents her for some other reason, who knows.  I'd also like to see  a souce for that comment. (edit : nevermind, see the question was answered)

13th March 2009, 10:15pm
#30
by XavierPadilla
Mazatlán, Sin. Mexico
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 815

My wife's opinion: "¿¡De qué le sirve al Kasparov ser tan bueno (para jugar ajedrez)... si no tiene corazón?!" lol

13th March 2009, 10:53pm
#31
by PhilipN
Oregon United States
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I believe that XavierPadilla's wife said something to the effect of, "What use is it to Kasparov to be so good (at playing chess)...if he doesn't have a heart?"

13th March 2009, 10:56pm
#32
by XavierPadilla
Mazatlán, Sin. Mexico
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Member Points: 815

Thank you, I could not find a proper translation.

13th March 2009, 11:03pm
#33
by PhilipN
Oregon United States
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By the way, the comment about Kasparov being a "Russian blowhard" might have been rooted in the way many people who have been brought up in the non-agressive Western culture see the culturally-appropriate behavior of Russians as being overly agressive.  An example of this would be when one of my uncles heard two ladies talking in Russian to each other (this happened at his workplace, where many languages are spoken) and thought they were really going at it.  He called for someone who understood Russian to see what was going on, and to see whether intervention would be necessary.  It turned out that they were having a pleasant conversation about a baby (I can't remember whether it was one of the ladies who'd just had a baby, or whether it was one of their friends or relatives).  Just goes to show that different things are viewed as being severe, or non-serious, in different cultures.

I admit that I know little or nothing about Russian culture, so this post may be a bit off-base.

13th March 2009, 11:24pm
#34
by joseph12
Clemson United States
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Member Points: 79
kenmack wrote:

Kasparov is a russian blowhard.  Pay no attention to his words, they are meaningless.


stupid american always the first to point out race in a negative way, also make statements like 'his words are meaningless'. 

13th March 2009, 11:38pm
#35
by HotFlow
KL, Malaysia Malaysia
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2263

It seems like who ever asked the question was baiting him to say something bad about her and probably got more then they bargained for.

14th March 2009, 01:29am
#36
by SilentWalker
Milpitas, CA United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 595

First off I think it is silly when players like Aronian say that women can't play chess - or some idiotic comments like that -

The comment by Kasparov about Polgar looks like it applies just to Polgar - there is not enough information given to determine whether his reference was directed towards all women players or not -

In general there is sort of this "soap opera" type stuff that goes on in chess - I can only bring up the "toilet-gate" scandal to name one such occassion -

Then of course there are all of the portrayals of Bobby Fischer and what he said about the Russians, the US, etc...

I still have not found out why chess players say extrememly stupid stuff - but I guess you could reference any competitive game - and when players get in the heat of competition - maybe there are these type of exchanges that - frankly - do not add to the game as far as I am concerned.

14th March 2009, 01:45am
#37
by WhiteSox7
Chicago United States
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i like how everyone is even trying to compare polgar to kasparov..i laugh..

14th March 2009, 01:49am
#38
by Theempiremaker
United States
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Member Points: 715

We all have sides of us that are not so nice to see .

14th March 2009, 02:15am
#39
by rich
My Home United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 23167

Yeah. Theempirmeaker is right.

14th March 2009, 03:30am
#40
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4165
joseph12 wrote:
kenmack wrote:

Kasparov is a russian blowhard.  Pay no attention to his words, they are meaningless.


stupid american always the first to point out race in a negative way, also make statements like 'his words are meaningless'. 


 Yeah " Russian blow  hard " is almost as bad as " supid American" !  LOL  Oh, and I thought Russian is a nationality , NOT a race......


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