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IQ tests vary. Someone can get a fairly different number on various tests. The reality is "percentile" is what matters. For example, Mensa requires a 2-percentile score.
Also, the guy who said: "Abilty to learn is more important than knowledge." Just imagine if all of humanity's current knowledge were to disappear over night. We would be in a Mel Gibson "Road Warrior" age.
When did I say knowledge isnt important?
If a person or a race doesnt have learning ability then he/they become stagnant. If there is a sudden weird problem arises in the world they wont be able to adapt as well if they had good knowledge but not so much learning ability.
If you have ability to learn then you can turn it into knowledge in no time. Therefore it is more precious than a certain amount of knowledge itself.
Hello? I didn't say that you said knowledge is not important.
"Abilty to learn is more important than knowledge."
That's what you said. That's what is called a "universal statement". And, it is absurd.
It is similar to saying: "A hand is more important than a foot".
We stand on the shoulders of giants...in chess and everything else in life. The knowledge that we have from our predecessors is not inferior to the ability to learn. Both are important.
Choose your wording better and you won't end up saying something absurd.
the ability to learn to learn is more important than the ability to learn
Are you always this subtle or is this your personal best?
Cant you realise the simple goddamn thing that ability is more important than knowledge?
Here let me make it easier for your simple mind with a simple example.
Suppose 1 car is ahead of another car by quite a distance but its speed is much slower than the other and the race finish is still a lot of laps to go. Which one you wanna rather have? Obviously the 2nd one as it's closing the gap on the first car.
A guy with more knowledge maybe ahead first but a kid who has more ability to learn but with less amount of knowldge will eventually should become wiser and better in future. Understand?
I hope you get the drift now.
shockinn that is an awesome example
Well, shockinn, you just want to quibble.
You say something absurd, then someone says something sensible...so you "dig in", get defensive and then just plain old nasty.
Just imagine if all you ever had access to was a chess rule book. This would be quite a thin book. What, maybe a couple of pages?
Then you played against someone who had access to all the various chess books, or who was coached, or learned from DVDs or online.
No, you are still just talking nonsense.
Just as if you needed an aspirin, but nobody had invented it. You would be up the creek.
Now, for your testy words:
P.S.: If you want to eventually develop even a modicum of chess skill, get some knowledge. Much of it is even free.
Just imagine if all you ever had access to was a chess rule book. This would be quite a thin book...what, maybe a couple of pages?
P.S.: If you want to eventually develop even a modicum of chess skill...get some knowledge. Much of it is even free.
Another 'weak' argument. Its not a surprise that you're attacking my english (my 4th language) as you know you cant even touch my logic.
Your points are absolutely nonsensical btw.
Then you played against someone who had access to all the various chess books, or who was coached, or learned from DVDs or online."
About the above quote, do you know how much dumb you sound despite being good in your mother language (not saying thats not a surprise in your case.).
I just gave you the example of a knowledgble person and a genius kid. It is obvious that the knowdgeble guy would win now but how about 10 years later? The kid will use his greater ability to learn and become a much better player.
'Ability to learn' is a machine that produces knowledge, thus its importance is more.
At first I thought I wouldnt bother to explain this simple thing but went ahead in the end.
It's really not a complex question but the obsessive nature and vanity of many chess players leads to it being endlessly discussed. If you took and sample group and gave them the exact same chess training, you would probably observe a fairly high correlation between IQ and chess ability. Since, however, everyone learns chess differently and devotes different amounts of time and effort to it regardless of IQ it is probably difficult to observe a significant correlation.
You could compare this to running chess engines. If you run the same chess engine on different hardware setups, you will notice the difference. But if you run chess engines of different strengths on different hardware setups the difference will be less obvious. The software side of things is your programming, the extent to which you have trained your brain to think in chess terms. Your IQ is your innate ability and limitations, more akin to hardware.
This is untrue: Another 'weak' argument. Its not a surprise that you're attacking my english (my 4th language) as you know you cant even touch my logic.
I never attacked yout English. You are building a strawman argument. After that, I saw no need to read anything further from someone so gnarly and irrational.
kasparov iq is 30000
this knowledge vs ability to learn argument is futile.
if someone has knowledge it is implicit they had the ability to absorb knowledge and if someone has the ability to learn they will automatically acquire knowledge.
"I've never been able to understand why the reactionaries among us can't understand that without socialism, nationalism is impossible."
Without socialism and nationalism, national socialism is impossible.
...if someone has the ability to learn they will automatically acquire knowledge.
I think that that is rather well said.
Intelligence, an aptitude to innovate and create, to resolve complex problems and add to that knowledge...a cornucopia of values and solutions passed on from others, living or dead...now we are functioning on all cylinders.
Someone on one of these threads said: "Oh, I don't read books." He was, by the implication, proud of this feat. One of the major differences between us and the lower animal species is extracranial knowledge. What a shame it is, IMO, not to use it.
I need an adult!
yes and even though its fun to have knowledge, knowledge without means to use it properly is inpotence.
You know there is a funny story i heard as a kid. (probably from some famous play i dont know=
there was a rich man he had 4 sons, he gave each of some an equal amount of money and said keep it save for such and such time.
One time he comes back and ask the first son, what have you done with the money?
Well i have invested it and had made really much money with it.
the father said: that is great im proud of you.
the father asked the next son and the son replies: well i brough it to the bank and got interest.
father says: thats good thats good.
the father asked the third son and the son replies: oh i tried an investment and lost all my money.
father says: that good, thats good keep you head up.
when the father goes to the last son, he asks the same and the son replied:
Well i hide it at some place and i still have the same amount of money.
the father gets really angry and says: you idiot, how could you do that, i never trust you again.
Actually pdve Kasparov has an IQ of 190 and is maybe in the top 10 most intelligent people in the world.
It's a common misconception to confuse chess skill with intelligence... Kasparov's actual IQ is closer to 130....
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