King's Indian Defence

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27th September 2008, 04:06am
#1
by ChessWhizard
United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
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Does anyone here use the King's Indian Defence , fianchetto variation? Is it a strong opening?


27th September 2008, 04:08am
#2
by kid_of_chess
Ottawa,Ontario Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 5773

sometimes. It's good.

27th September 2008, 04:36am
#3
by kid_of_chess
Ottawa,Ontario Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 5773

Here is a game with the basic strategies of the King's Indian:

27th September 2008, 04:56am
#4
by ChessWhizard
United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 28

Wow thanks for the game, the reason why I like the King's Indian is because of the strong grip on the center squares, but I was wondering if the King's Indian has any flaws or weakness.

27th September 2008, 05:03am
#5
by kid_of_chess
Ottawa,Ontario Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 5773

Two Weaknesses. The B on c8, and the B on g7. If you can make them strong you have a good position.

27th September 2008, 06:13am
#6
by agent_86
Memphis United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 65

I play the Reti/KIA as white, the Pirc (KID with 1. d3 so they can't push e5 to take the knight) as black versus 1. e4, and the KID versus everything else.

 

Weaknesses:

The kings bishop is relegated to a defensive role until you get your opponents queens bishop, and possibly his queen, off of the board.  Essentially, you have to learn to play with one piece down for the early middle game.  This is not so much a big deal as these openings lead to very quiet positions until the position has opened up.

While you have strong king safety, the pawn structure (dark squares) in front of your king is weakened.

 

The way to beat these openings is this:  Castle queenside, and cripple the kingside defenses with a pawn storm.

 

Here is a good game that I just finished that demonstrates the strategy to beat it  (this game is actually a Pirc but the same strategy is for both).  He crippled my defences early on and forced me to play risky chess.  My opponent had great play here, in fact I was one move away from a forced mating sequence when he got me:

 

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=9318989  (I can't get the diagram poster to load for some reason, will edit later when it works.)

27th September 2008, 06:19am
#7
by jaller435718
TX. United States
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Member Points: 5450

I always use if I can!!!

27th September 2008, 06:42am
#8
by Elubas
Buffalo United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 2531

no, white is supposed to attack on the queenside, since he normally has a pawn on d5.

27th September 2008, 07:32am
#9
by northsea
Hummelsta Sweden
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 140

It's too theoretical and if both players are theoretically well-prepeared it's just a DRAW. That's why i prefer Modern Benoni.

27th September 2008, 08:49am
#10
by ChessWhizard
United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 28

so is there any way to comeback if  the opponent castle queenside, and cripples the kingside defenses with a pawn storm? Also is there opening for white that has great offence and defence, and has a good grip on the center squares?

27th September 2008, 09:02am
#11
by The_Pitts
Plainfield Vermont (GMT-5) International
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 377

I love playing the KID. I've done well with it, but I think  that black has to keep up the pressure, it seems to favor the attacking player.

27th September 2008, 09:41am
#12
by agent_86
Memphis United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 65
ChessWhizard wrote:

so is there any way to comeback if  the opponent castle queenside, and cripples the kingside defenses with a pawn storm? Also is there opening for white that has great offence and defence, and has a good grip on the center squares?


 

Yes you just have to outplay them :) and watch out for h4 and play accordingly.  The KID is all about the comeback...the strategy is to counterattack after your opponents attack has overextended their resources.

27th September 2008, 09:45am
#13
by agent_86
Memphis United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 65
Elubas wrote:

no, white is supposed to attack on the queenside, since he normally has a pawn on d5.


Probably should listen to this guy...I'm pretty new and just playing this based off literature and all of my experience with opponents <1600. 

I didn't mean to imply that most of the piece play happens on the king side -- merely that white uses their g and h pawns to disrupt blacks defenses.  Definitely the action is on the queenside (maybe the above game is actually a bad example of that).

27th September 2008, 11:10am
#14
by polleke
Belgium
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 619

I like it too, but it is not easy to learn. A nice book to read is "starting out - the kings indian defense" from everyman chess.

28th September 2008, 12:48am
#15
by FHansen
Kil Sweden
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 341

I often play the pirc as there are not that many players starting with d4Frown and there white often do not get his pawn to c4 before the knight blocks it on c3. In this case at least is the queenside black's and the kingside white's territory. I suppose that with a pawn on c4 it is the other way around.

mvh Fredrik

31st January 2009, 10:56am
#16
by josef5555
Falköping Sweden
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 139
northsea wrote:

It's too theoretical and if both players are theoretically well-prepeared it's just a DRAW. That's why i prefer Modern Benoni.


What are you talking about? What high-theoretical line in the king's indian defence has drawish tendencies?

 

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