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KNIGHTS ARE TOO UNDERVALUED


  • 13 months ago · Quote · #21

    Gamer2O12

    mayebe youre a bad "rider" .... ah, ah, know what i mean???:D

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #22

    VULPES_VULPES

    Gamer2O12 wrote:

    Dude i could write you a million reasons why your reasoning is absurd. Give me 2 knights, 6 pawns a rook and a queen and i will win your 6p, 2B, 1Q, 1R easy, just because you wont understand what to do:) Even your material is slighty stronger...

    If you want one of the million reasons - knights can go back, pawns cant. And knight value is from 3 to 2.6 depending on a master who analizes. Theres a lot of books about it... Also for my knights ppl sacrifice rooks...:)

    Um... that's NOT what I meant. Knight can go backwards, sure, but the fact that pawns can eventually turn into queens compensates for their weakness. 

    By the way, you wouldn't take a heavily defended knight with a rook, nor would you take a heavily defended pawn, because they rarely pose a threat to me should my opponent possess one. 

    However, you sometimes need to sacrifice your rook for a heavily protected bishop, because it might be a big tactical or positional threat, or assisting in a checkmate. That, I can comprehend.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #23

    paulgottlieb

    Of course you would take a heavily defended knight with a rook. These kind of exchange sacrifices are very common. Tigran Petrosian made a specialy of them. Everybody knows that a powerfully placed knight, particularly a knight on the 6th rank, can be more valuable that a rook

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #24

    netzach

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #25

    VULPES_VULPES

    Maybe. 

    Now, I know the prominency of the knight can be taken advantage of only in certain conditions, such as a closed game. I'm just used to playing with bishops.

    All I did was talk about how the knight how the knight can be worse than a bishop or the same as a pawn. I meant no insult to any of the players on this site. I just wanted your opinion on the matter, not to make a big fuss over it.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #26

    champ_weller

    wel saying a knight is like a pawn in any nature is just false ou cant compare the two at all

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #27

    guesso

    VULPES_VULPES wrote:

    Maybe. 

    Now, I know the prominency of the knight can be taken advantage of only in certain conditions, such as a closed game. I'm just used to playing with bishops.

    All I did was talk about how the knight how the knight can be worse than a bishop or the same as a pawn. I meant no insult to any of the players on this site. I just wanted your opinion on the matter, not to make a big fuss over it.

    Bishops are only good in the open games, in closed games bad bishops don't do much more than pawns so it's quite equal

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #28

    VULPES_VULPES

    Well, two pawns can trap a knight in a corner, and three on the side. I think that was how the value of the pieces are determined. Therefore (I rephrase), a knight might have the value of two or three pawns.

    You may call me insane and such, but I think there is a correlation between the value of the pieces and the number of pawns required to trap that piece. I will make a seperate forum on the matter.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #29

    TeraHammer

    Vulpus, you did not ask for opinions. You declared that knights are overvalued, as if that is common knowledge. If you can't find the power in a good knight, it is your loss. 

    For instance, consider the popular Nimzo-Indian defense, a defense used at all rating levels. Why would black give up one of his bishops for a supposedly measly knight? 

    For the record, when sacrificing, I usually victimise bishops :-))

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #30

    paulgottlieb

    The question of knights versus bishops has been debated for a couple of centuries without a firm conclusion. GM Larry Kaufman did a massive study of many thousands of master games and concluded that the two pieces were about equal in value, but that the two bishops (versus two knoghts or a knight and bishop) constitued a real plus.

    It's certainly true that advanced passed pawns can make a fool of the knight, but there are also plenty of positions where a single bishop is useless and helpless against a knight because all the actionj is taking place on the wrong colored squares

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #31

    cookiemonster161140

    Where does a horse go poop? 
    Anywhere he wants.

    Bishops, they can't touch every square on the board, only half of them. Pathetic. 

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #32

    beardogjones

    "Knights are too undervalued"...

     

    Just how undervalued do you think would be appropriate?

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #33

    PLAVIN79

    THE KNIGHT IS THE MOST IMPOTANT PIECE IN MID GAME STATAGY FOLOWED  THE BY THE BISHOP

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #34

    TeraHammer

    No, the king is. 

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #35

    ivandh

    TeraHammer wrote:

    No, the king is. 

    Lenny would disagree.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #36

    Phelon

    Guys cmon, the most important piece in midgame strategy is the pawns..

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #37

    DrSpudnik

    So, he's suggesting we should buy a lot of Knights and hold them until the market goes to its natural equilibrium point? Undecided

    When do we cash in?

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #38

    robotjazz

    The middle game revolves around pawns, but the knight is by far the tickiest piece to look out for

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #39

    xitvono

    PLAVIN79 wrote:

    THE KNIGHT IS THE MOST IMPOTANT PIECE IN MID GAME STATAGY FOLOWED  THE BY THE BISHOP

    That's what Viagra is for

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #40

    Metastable

    CAPS LOCK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT KEY ON THE KEYBOARD


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