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Is enough being done to discourage other players from cheating ? Is whats being done enough or should the " punishment " involved be harsher ? What can be done to punish those caught that will deter others and what can be done to make such cheating more difficult ? I think players should NOT be allowed to have cell phones in the playing "area" at all..... this would help imo. If it were up to me those caught cheating would be banned from all organized play at least 1 year and if caught a second time banned forever. Perhaps I am too harsh ? Ideas ?
Shivsky
Not harsh at all. Banning from the federation for a 2nd time offense seems completely fair.
How about some of these ideas?
- All player cellphones must be turned OFF, not vibrate or silent. If it's a life and death situation, give the TD your phone and tell him you're expecting a call. He'll give you the phone when it vibrates.
- ID checks. Make absolutely sure the player is who they say he/she is.
- Higher levels of vigilance when dealing with unrateds / provisional players in big-money tournaments. The TD ought to tag these people and watch for high-frequency "leaving the tournament hall" movements.
- Tourney mgmt. software could "flag" any back-to-back upsets each round so that the TD can be a little more observant of certain players who are "on fire".
- Tourney mgmt. software could make it easier to pull up a player's history to look for any trends, e.g. sandbagging.
RathHood
In my days
there wasn't cell phones, computers etc.and the only cheating bastard was Kempelen. Good ol' days.
Atos
Such practices as checking IDs and making sure that the mobile phones are turned off are common in college exams these days, it's rather surprizing to hear that they are not observed in serious OTB tournaments.
In FIDE events the arbiter always reminds the players to turn off all mobile phones at the start of each round. If your phone rings, or alarms, during the game your game is forfeited. Obviously , this measure isnt enough and phones shouldnt even be allowed in the playing area with the players....
Dragec
How I read it, the phones weren't with the players but outside.
It was the team captain who apparently passed the info by staying near the players in the hall.
"
Arnaud Hauchard would move around the tables and stop for some time behind different players, e.g. behind the opponent of Tkachiev and then behind Fressinet to signal the square c2. Incidentally it is usually sufficient to signal the destination square – a 2600+ (or even much weaker) player is easily able to determine which piece should be moved there."
Was the entire team involved in the cheating ? I thought it was just 3 players involved ?
Estragon
An elaborate scheme - it required three people to conspire. One to consult the engine and transmit the move in code, who stayed off the site (I presume he got the game moves from a live webcast), one to receive the message and transmit the move to the player using a different code. The middle man could not risk being seen entering moves into an engine at the site, even in the bar, but just looking at his phone while having a drink would not arouse suspicion. He could make a point of leaving his phone outside the playing rooms because he already had the move to communicate.
I recall there has been suspicion about Topalov in the past, starting with his sudden rise to the mid-2700 range, often centered on Danilov's tendency to stay in a front row seat near the stage when he played. IF - and this is pure speculation of course - anything fishy were going on, Danilov might have been a decoy to attract scrutiny while some third party in the audience was the actual conduit.
It's a shame such things have to be considered at the highest levels now - we expect attempts at open events with large prizes like the World Open, but it would be hoped it wouldn't be a problem at the top.
One player was cheating, aided by two (at least) who weren't playing. The rest of the team supported the investigation.
FirebrandX
Another example of how even GMs can consider and conspire to cheat. One is reminded of the Dembo incident here on chess.com, where people tried to claim no master of that strength would even consider cheating. Well, yes they do...
I believe the punishment must be very harsh for caught cheats. If it isnt then others will only be encouraged to take the risk......
Yes, but it's difficult to prove it.
This probably wouldnt been detected if the "engine man" had not use the borrowed mobile phone (how stupid is that).
And even now after the decision of France Chess Federation, it probably wouldn't stand a test in court as privacy of exchanges SMS messages is protected by several laws.
Offenders even objected the jurisdiction as alleged cheating did not happen in France.
Nevertheless, interesting reading.
It would definitely change the attitude towards kibitzers and observes.
Team captains and their movement around the tables will be under magnifying glass from now on.
This "accident" reminds me of film IQ, when Einstein and other wise guys helped Tim Robins to pass the test using various mimics and sounds to mark A,B,C,D,E answers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.Q._%28film%29
Peedee
echecs06
If there was cheating at that level, worldchampionship I think, how much cheating must be going on at local level? To me this is just SCANDALOUS! Strong actions and consequences should be taken. It is my understanding that the parties involved first admitted guilt then recanted. Bizarre!
BorgQueen
Penalties should be extreme. Like first offense, strip the player of any titles and reset their rating as if they are a new member. Second offense, same again and prohibit the player from ever holding a rating or winning any form of prize. Who needs em.
Only problem is that as the penalties get harsher, proof of cheating must be closer to 100%.
It's always the way... a few whack jobs make the entire art difficult for everyone. The only way to stop it is to remove all spectators, limit breaks, have patrolling officials looking out for technology use of any kind and completely ban all forms of gadgetry.
kingslayer, my dear Lousyanan friend, this is a more appropriate punishment for these cheaters... extraordinaire...
comradedew
They could just set up a jamming device to block all phone signals within 2 miles
DragonandPhoenix
I like the idea of, if proved that the players are guilty, stripping them of their titles and never allowing them to hold a FIDE title again. Many events, at least in the states, offer GMs and IMs free or reduced fees to attend tournaments, this would definitely put a significant financial impact on the players involved if they actually had to pay to go to tournaments again.
comradedew - I believe cell phone jamming is illegal and probably worse than cheating in a chess tournament
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