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My chess E8 theory-looking for Masters to improve figures


  • 3 years ago · Quote · #81

    DementedLogician

    i see.... so how do you make these charts?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #82

    winnersp

    I borrowed one super computer,not a real one...its connected with 10 computers for different modes.I programmed my thought with some golden section theory.The data were collected from houdini2 and rybka4 games for the system calculation and logic work-out.the final calculation result I have shared-how selfishless I am.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #83

    winnersp

    streetfighter wrote:

    Well, I just don't get it 

    Your moves 6,7,10 and 12 are all weak or very weak moves, but somehow your system finds moves 19,20,22 and 25 which are all strong?! In conjunction with each other. As if there is suddenly a PLAN in progress where none was evident before?!

    It's almost impossible to follow your logic (for me at least) as you seem to mix the words 'defense' and 'attack' at will.

    Also, how can you play 23.Qxd5 without seeing as far as 29.Qxf7 and realising you can defend your own king whereas I can't? How does your system evaluate this kind of sequence?

    streetfighter

    Also


     because before move 20,I only search my moves in M mode..such mode is for defense..and after move 20,I search all moves in L mode,such mode is only for attack.

    I mix attack and defense concept so I search my move from one table to another of course..such attack or defense concept definition is based on human,so we can create as many games as we like.thats the charm of chess also! more chess knowledge you got,more real status of attack or defense you will know,and you will search in more correct tables.

    23.Qxd5 :I only make move checking one move further,I dont look that far.The logic is:when you make a move logical,the strategy is hidden in your moves.such logic is mainly our chess knowledge,including the moment to attack or defense,piece coordination.you see,this part is beyong calculation!.My tables have mixed all factors inside of it,including king safety also,others:tactical position(move position),line check(guading points),etc

    check my L mode and M mode again.you will find out why.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #84

    sapientdust

    winnersp: did you use a computer program like rybka or houdini at all for your win against CM streetfighter (maybe to generate candidate moves or something else in conjunction with your system), or were you ONLY using your system?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #85

    winnersp

    All canadiate moves are generated from my system..i can show you in my games where my moves are better than rybka or houdini2 move actually.there are some moves even houdini2 didnt searched out but my system did.

    I use rybka to check evulation.Since my chess knowledge isn't so much,sometimes I confuse attack and defense and that led me search in wrong tables...however,I dont take engines move as the best and I follow my chart position values.in crucial positions where piece exchanges happen,I calculate myself in the formual as below:

    piece move position figure*guarding position value

    sometimes i compare different table value at one position together.

    engine analysis only allowed me to perfect my logic and find out even better moves.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #86

    PrawnEatsPrawn

    All canadiate moves are generated from my system..i can show you in my games where my moves are better than rybka or houdini2 move actually.there are some moves even houdini2 didnt searched out but my system did.

     

    I think that you need to justify your claims.

     

    Please post game positions, with system evaluations, to support your arguments.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #87

    TheGrobe

    How long have you been working on this theory?  Less than a month ago you didn't seem to know what E8 even was and were grasping at all sorts of patterns (crop circles, biological processes, molecular structures, astronomical imagery and graphical representations of network maps to name a few).

    http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/piece-value-any-suggestions?page=5

    I'm not a master, but if you're looking for advice to improve your model I'd suggest going back on your medication.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #88

    TheGrobe

    To be clear, though, engine use is allowed here so long as the game is unrated and both parties agree to it beforehand.

    So far as a I know, talking about it is only banned to the extent that discussing cheating isn't allowed in the main forums (there is a "Cheating Discussion Group" set up for this instead), but if it's within the context of allowable engine use as described above, it's not really a discussion about cheating....

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #89

    sapientdust

    winnersp: could you clarify what you mean by "I use rybka to check evaluation". Do you mean you did this on the moves generated by your system in your game versus CM streetfighter? Or do you mean you do this to improve your system in general (but not during games [only after game has finished])?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #90

    fburton

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #91

    Crazychessplaya

    The thread brought back memories of my visit to the Collection de l'Art Brut in Lausanne.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #92

    winnersp

    No,I never choose engine moves.The use of engine is only to improve my system.

    first,my game had often pawn sacrifice,which engines usually dont do.

    second,my pawn move is often weak,which is not what engine move is.

    third,my system MAY find out better move than houdini2.in my opinion,waitied to be checked by you all.I will post soon.

    fourth,I have my detailed explaniation and calculation method,different theories to arrange moves I am able to explain why my move is made.thats beyond engine analysis level.

    fifith,I dont like using engines.I look for fun in games.

    on why I improve so  quickly in a month,it's a program,and such program evolute so quickly that it really surprises me.Its a Human intelligence study on chess field.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #93

    winnersp

    CASE 1 -h3 on finding better move than engines(TO BE CHECKED BY YOU)

    CASE 1
    case 2.bg4--with master streetfighter
    explaniation:the chart to be checked is M mode(king in right and piece in black)now i am supposed to defense,bg4 move to blue-figured position(0.9647) this is better as other bishop move as any other bishop move will move to a bigger blue-figured position. both positoned guarded after bishop any move is the same,so is ignored.
  • 3 years ago · Quote · #94

    cigoL

    winnersp, could you tell what your system would play against 1. e4? And could you tell how exactly it arrives at it's reply?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #95

    winnersp

    the system reply is e5 .

    you look at M mode(king in left and piece in white)

    since at the beginning,black must defnese,so system search for red-figured position to move to and to guard.since its defense move,system look for a step with least defense move(meaning pawn move considered first,then big pieces)

    it searches..now the answer is

    e5 allows e2 pawn move to a red-figured position e5(0.689),pointing to f4(red-figured,1.492989..both matches logic

    why other moves are ignored:

    if it moves to c5(ciclian)...the pawn would move to a blue-figured position first(not so good than moving to a red-figured position),and pawn also points to blue-figured positions.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #96

    cigoL

    Interesting! However, how come Sicilian is considered the best reply to 1. e4 then? 

    Okay, I'm curious to know how your system would play against the Danish Gambit. 

    So, after 1. e4 e5 2. d4, what would your system play then? 

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #97

    AndyClifton

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #98

    winnersp

    cigoL wrote:

    Interesting! However, how come Sicilian is considered the best reply to 1. e4 then? 

    Okay, I'm curious to know how your system would play against the Danish Gambit. 

    So, after 1. e4 e5 2. d4, what would your system play then? 


     e5xd4 is the reply.

    sicilian is very good as at the very beginning,it intends to attack.Its a tactical idear that allows further moves dominate the other positions.My move considers only current situation due to opponent's last move.It's a strategy preparation.I prefer strategy win than tactical win.you can sense that from my game with streetfighter.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #99

    winnersp

    The Collection de l’Art Brut, Lausanne “Art does not come to lie down in the beds that have been made for it; it runs away as soon as anyone utters its name: it likes being incognito. Its best moments are when it forgets what it’s called.”

    Jean Dubuffet’s comments can be envisaged as the central point around which the concept of Art Brut is articulated: those who create Art Brut are creators free from all cultural conditioning or social conformity

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #100

    AndyClifton


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