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Why is not Ruy-Lopez ever mentioned in top ten lists? Was not he a great player of his time?
It's very dificult to assess the strengths of players like Greco and Ruy Lopez from so long ago. Among other things, they lacked any good competitors to really bring out their best. Now if you wanted to make a list of people who profoundly influenced the development of chess and who greatly advanced our understanding of the game, those old time greats like Greco, Lucena, Stamma, etc. would be at the top of the list. Yes--and Ruy Lopez too
Also, very few of their games survived, or were even recorded. Paper wasn't cheap back then.
We only have one surviving game from Legal, who was by far the greatest player of his day.
The greatest, in chronological order:
Morphy, Steinitz, Lasker, Capablanca, Alekhine, Tal, Fischer, Karpov, Kasparov, Carlsen.
Well, nobody really clarified what they had to be 'top' in, so here is my list of top 10 chess players, based on being funny.
1. Kleelof - I know this one really goes without saying, but I wanted to say it anyway.
2. Kaynight - Sometimes I don't know what he's saying. But when I do, it's pretty funny.
3. Tkbunny - So funny, makes me wanna invite him over for dinner.
4. ConnorMcleod_151 - Everytime I read his posts, I hear Sean Connery's voice.
5. DrSpudnik - He's out of this world funny.
6. RonaldJosephCote - Dilusion at its finest.
7. 913Glorax12 - Funny. But it doesn't hurt that I like dogs.
8. Pulpofeira - El funny.
9. winerkleiner - Always ready to join in sidetracking lame threads.
10. shell_knight - He's new, but has potential.
Sorry to all the funny chess players out ther who didn't make the list. I can only have 10.
Um... aren't you leaving someone out?
My Top 10:
11) ME! ME! ME! (Yeah right!!! - Wishful thinking!)
I don't understand how you can put someone in between Kasparov and Karpov. Their playing strengths were shown to be very close to identical in their WCC matches...
"I don't understand how you can put someone in between Kasparov and Karpov. Their playing strengths were shown to be very close to identical in their WCC matches..."
Not really, They were close, but over the course of all their matches Kasparov opened up a small, but clear edge. By their last match he was clearly stonger
These lists are always fun. Here's mine:
Carlsen doesn't make the list because he is so early in his career. I don't think he can be properly placed yet.
Top ten who were never WC:
Nice list and will be somewhat similar to mine. Fischer is way too low though and surely either Petrosian or Spassky or both have to be in the top 10.
The second "unofficial" champ list is perfect.
"Not really, They were close, but over the course of all their matches Kasparov opened up a small, but clear edge"
Not to mention that Kasparov didn't finish behind Karpov in a single tournament for more than a dozen years, so I don't think the fact that Kasparov didn't win their matches with a bigger margin necessarily should mean that one can't rank someone between them. Botvinnik and Smyslov were considerably more equal in their matches but I think most rank Botvinnik clearly ahead of Smyslov anyway because of other results.
1 Kasparov - Greatest for very long time;
2 Fischer - greatest at his peak, totally dominant;
3 Capablanca - totally dominant at his best;
4 Lasker - best for a long time in a very competitive era;
5 Karpov - dominated post-Fischer, pre-Kasparov era;
6 Alekhine - tremendous attacker & competitor;
7 Morphy- spectacular & accurate - '"best ever" according to Fischer;
8 Steinitz - revolutionized the game & great for a long time;
9 Botvinnik- 3-time world champ - great for a long time & very dominant at his best;
10 Spassky - underrated & most versatile player ever; & (tie)
10 Tal - Attacking Genius.
Not considering any current players.
4) Susan Polgar
8) Dzindzichashvili (spelling right?)
10) The one who discovered Giuoco Piano
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