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14th March 2009, 09:12am
#1
by pling
oslo Norway
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 616

In the Season Match - Round 1 - Unity Group vs Chess Unlimited - Board 7, I'm playing a guy with this profile:

Note that I am playing so called "Advanced Chess" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Chess). If you are not happy with this, please don't play with me.

How could I avoid playing him when he has joined a tournament? No need to say: I feel this is really unfair, and I wonder if using a computer is according to the rules at chess.com.

14th March 2009, 09:21am
#2
by Subtile
New York City United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 38

Well unless you tell your opponent and you both agree to use a computer. Else that is considered cheating if your opponent uses a computer.

14th March 2009, 09:28am
#3
by pling
oslo Norway
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 616

I don't even have a chess-computer ...

14th March 2009, 09:30am
#4
by Tipped
East Coast United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 36

It is against the rules for rated games, which he seems to be using it for.

Of course,  that is if he really is using a computer.

14th March 2009, 09:39am
#5
by pling
oslo Norway
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 616

In his profile he says he does. I refuse to continue the game whatever he claims, now.

14th March 2009, 09:43am
#6
by Vodac
Neuchâtel Switzerland
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 19

If you want to report this case to the staff, there is a little "report abuse" link at the bottom of each page.

14th March 2009, 09:56am
#7
by pling
oslo Norway
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 616

I already have, of course. Right now I'm so upset I'll have to await making any moves in the rest of my games for a while. lol

14th March 2009, 10:04am
#8
by kingforce
London United Kingdom
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 507

at least he tells, you, but it seems dodgy, he will never blunder, 

14th March 2009, 10:10am
#9
by corum
Leeds England
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 350

It is against the rules to use a computer engine - however, it is not against the rules to use computer software that include tables or databases. However, I understand that the implication from his profile is that he is using a computer engine and if that is the case he would almost certainly be banned. You have done the right thing to report it.

However, just because someone says they are using a computer doesn't mean that they are any more than someone saying they are not using a computer being proof that they are not. Leave it to the admin staff to ascertain whether he is or isn't.

14th March 2009, 10:19am
#10
by CATLOCK
NORTHAMPTON England
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 93

what does he get out of playing with a computer? i dont understand all this,if your using it to play why bother playing, why doesn't he just put two computers together, let them play,and he can just watch?  

14th March 2009, 10:20am
#11
by pling
oslo Norway
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 616

I believe he is using a computer for rated games. Just take a look at his rating - 2320 and rising ...

14th March 2009, 10:30am
#12
by pling
oslo Norway
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 616
CATLOCK wrote:

what does he get out of playing with a computer? i dont understand all this,if your using it to play why bother playing, why doesn't he just put two computers together, let them play,and he can just watch?  


lol. I agree! But, I guess it's something like stealing candy from a child: there is always someone getting a kick out of "outsmarting" someone else, no matter who they are.

It's a joke: I've even complimented this guy for his game, and he didn't even then reveal his methods. He probably gets a kick out of stealing candy from kids as well ...

14th March 2009, 10:33am
#13
by pling
oslo Norway
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 616
kingforce wrote:

at least he tells, you, but it seems dodgy, he will never blunder, 


He never told me, though he did leave a trail for me to find out myself. But, meeting him in a tournament: what could I do?

14th March 2009, 10:35am
#14
by MM78
Ireland
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 3177

He is not allowed to play "advanced chess" , that is using a chess engine to help him with analysis, in rated games whether or not his opponent agrees. The rules are very clear:

You many only have ONE Chess.com member account. You may NOT get any help from any person or any chess engine throughout the course of a game, including tablebases. You MAY use books, magazines, or other articles. You may also use computer databases (including Chess.com's Game Explorer). EXCEPTION: If both players agree for the use of a chess engine in an UNRATED game then it can be allowed.

14th March 2009, 10:59am
#15
by pling
oslo Norway
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 616
MM78 wrote:

He is not allowed to play "advanced chess" , that is using a chess engine to help him with analysis, in rated games whether or not his opponent agrees. The rules are very clear:

 

You many only have ONE Chess.com member account. You may NOT get any help from any person or any chess engine throughout the course of a game, including tablebases. You MAY use books, magazines, or other articles. You may also use computer databases (including Chess.com's Game Explorer). EXCEPTION: If both players agree for the use of a chess engine in an UNRATED game then it can be allowed.


Thanks, for your support, MM78!

14th March 2009, 11:16am
#16
by CATLOCK
NORTHAMPTON England
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 93

well i think people who use computers during games are gits, chess is about two humans using tactics to outwit each other,apart from white moving 1st its a level playing field. why should fair chess players have to put up with this? i work hard for every point of my rating and i'd consider leaving the site if i was to have to keep facing cheats who prop up their poor game with outside aids. i know its hard to proove,as many have stated above,but the idea of it makes my blood boil.          (rant over)

14th March 2009, 01:18pm
#17
by pling
oslo Norway
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 616

Thanks for your support CATLOCK! I've worked hard for all the rating I've got as well. I refuse playing anyone using a computer, (thats why I never challenge any very high rated players) but what to do when you meet them in a tournament?

I really hope the people in charge of this site takes this matter serious, and does something about it. I've recieved a message from a member of the staff denying me to write any of his opponents about this matter (because I did send the first ones on his list a message, thinking it was the only right thing to do, so none of them would resign or lose a game against him before this matter was settled) but as long as I've not been denied writing in any forum about this, I'll continue to do so.

If this is a site that supports honnest chessplayers, I expect a member of the straff to make a comment in this forum, and not just sending me a message telling me to be quiet about it. 

14th March 2009, 01:34pm
#18
by LucenaTDB
Johnson City TN United States
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 352

I have turned folks in before and have seen those accounts closed.  They staff will look into any report of this nature and take the steps needed. 

14th March 2009, 01:36pm
#19
by pling
oslo Norway
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 616
LucenaTDB wrote:

I have turned folks in before and have seen those accounts closed.  They staff will look into any report of this nature and take the steps needed. 


What happened to the games the cheaters had already won?

14th March 2009, 01:37pm
#20
by petershaby
Exeter England England
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 1276

The staff may well be evidence gathering. If I write on my profile I'm a murderer it doesn't make me one, you still need the proof. I'm sure the staff are addressing this matter however need more then just a statement on his profile page to take action and don't want the suspect alerted at this stage. Send a message via "Report abuse" close this thread and await their response.

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