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22nd August 2008, 10:35am
#1
by Clownfish
Uppsala Sweden
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 234

Do you know if that's possible? If people have high enough IQ, visual memory and chess skills, would they be able to take a nice walk in the forest while playing chess? Like... "Knight to d5", "ok, I'll grab that one with bishop", "hm, exd5 then", "oh, look at the bird! Well, rook h1 check!" and so on....

Would be a great excercise for great minds!

22nd August 2008, 10:39am
#2
by TheMoonwalker
Norway
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 1230

oh yes, most GMs can do that :)

22nd August 2008, 10:39am
#3
by maniac2008
luton England
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4065

LMAO

22nd August 2008, 11:09am
#4
by Rael
Calgary Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 5084

Have you watched this yet, Clownfish?

Judit Polgar on "My Brilliant Brain"... this show discusses feats of memory like this...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6378985927858479238&ei=T_muSKDwCZ-C-QHylJCmDQ&q=polgar+my+brilliant

22nd August 2008, 11:22am
#5
by Klunk
Bristol United Kingdom
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 109

It's extremely good practice for you. I have done it to some degree of success, openings aren't too difficult, but do you actually know exactly where each piece is and what threatens what? 10 moves isn't too bad, but after about 15, pieces are all over the place and it becomes exceedingly difficult. It's a way of handicapping a much better player (blindfold games) - the better player cannot see the board and must imagine it in his mind and do all his calculations from a visualised board.

22nd August 2008, 11:26am
#6
by NotKasparov
Delaware United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 373

I don't think that's an uncommon skill.  I know someone who's peak USCF rating was 1800 twenty years ago, and he can still play games like that without too much effort.  I can play short games like that (albeit with a bit more effort).

22nd August 2008, 11:38am
#7
by normajeanyates
london [often in calcutta india] England
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 2596

Actually any master or above playing OTB is doing that: calculating various variations deep enough: that is the same as playing simultanous blindfold chess :)

22nd August 2008, 12:16pm
#8
by Clownfish
Uppsala Sweden
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 234

normajeanyates wrote:

Actually any master or above playing OTB is doing that: calculating various variations deep enough: that is the same as playing simultanous blindfold chess :)


Noo, that's not the same! Working with variations in your mind has the actual board as template - one that you might remember very well since you have memorized the positions with visual help move by move.

Klunk and NotKasparov - I'm impressed! But aren't you lost after enough moves? Imagine the middlegames!

There should be a third person annotating the moves, if disputes about the actual positions would arise!

22nd August 2008, 03:29pm
#9
by NotKasparov
Delaware United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 373

Clownfish wrote:

But aren't you lost after enough moves? 

 

If by "lost" you mean "can't remember where the pieces are," no.  If by "lost" you mean "lost most of the ability to think tactically," then yes. 

22nd August 2008, 03:36pm
#10
by Clownfish
Uppsala Sweden
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 234

NotKasparov wrote:

Clownfish wrote:

But aren't you lost after enough moves? 

 

If by "lost" you mean "can't remember where the pieces are," no.  If by "lost" you mean "lost most of the ability to think tactically," then yes. 


Wow! And you have an impressive rating on this site for a 14-year old! Are you sure 1994 wasn't a typo?

22nd August 2008, 03:40pm
#11
by Clownfish
Uppsala Sweden
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 234

Rael wrote:

Have you watched this yet, Clownfish?

Judit Polgar on "My Brilliant Brain"... this show discusses feats of memory like this...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6378985927858479238&ei=T_muSKDwCZ-C-QHylJCmDQ&q=polgar+my+brilliant


I watched all of it now - thanx! . Impressive woman! Even though the filmed example of boardless chess was a fake game, it illustrates her abilities. Very cool!

22nd August 2008, 03:55pm
#12
by Klunk
Bristol United Kingdom
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 109

Clownfish wrote:

Klunk and NotKasparov - I'm impressed! But aren't you lost after enough moves? Imagine the middlegames!

There should be a third person annotating the moves, if disputes about the actual positions would arise!


Yes, I'm usually pretty much lost (I have a generally good idea of where the pieces are, but putting tactics in the mix is too hard) after 15 moves, fortunately a friend of mine is a very good chess player so he can do this very well, which often ends up in him saying: 'Are you sure you want to move that?'

 

Also, it works a lot better to have a thrid person there to record the moves.

22nd August 2008, 04:07pm
#13
by Aramista
Canberra Australia
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 67

The Silva Method provides training with benefits such as pragmatic, adaptive, creative, memory skills

I have been considering starting a FORUM thread "Can the Silva Method raise your ELO?" and will do so if there is enough interest

is there anyone around who is a Silva Method graduate or has an understanding of it? - if so please send me a "Message"  -  to Aramista   Cool

23rd August 2008, 03:01am
#14
by maniac2008
luton England
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4065

lol

23rd August 2008, 04:08am
#15
by lukeyboy_xx
london England
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 4548

Most GM's can do that

23rd August 2008, 03:19pm
#16
by maniac2008
luton England
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4065

really

 

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