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  • 2 years ago · Quote · #61

    TeraHammer

    I'm not suprised a tactician would spend much time on quiet openings. He or she will probably try look what the best way is to spice things up, and this is not easily done in a quiet opening.

    This happens to me in blitz. When my opponent plays super-solidly, I lose much time trying to make something happen.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #62

    Jaes

    I can't comment on whether your opponent was playing mind games with you, since I don't know either of you.

    Personally, I'm a slower player OTB in tournaments, and I often play against people who make quick moves, then fidget, etc. I don't deliberately play slower, but I keep it in mind as something that I could potentially use to my advantage.

    My thought is that it's my time; if I dig a hole for myself early by using it up, then my opponent is welcome to take advantage of it through solid play. If not, that's their problem.

    It's your job to improve in your weak areas; it's your opponent's job to exploit them. 

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #63

    htdavidht

    Ok, I am not going to read 4 pages to see if someone ready post the same thing.

    Basically this is a trick that some strong playesrs do sometimes. It is consider rude, to do this, some players just don't care.

    The deal is simple, OTB games you no longer have to write down the moves when you only have 5 minutes on your time. So the player pretty much decides to play a blitz game agaings you, you have to write down and think your moves, that is more than enougth time for him to think his moves. If You play moves whiout writing down, he will bitch about it, as well, even get to call the refery on you for not followin the rules.

    As I say, not all the players do this, it is consider rude and disrespecfull. Still sometimes some player pull out this stuff in front of a player he considers inferior and inexpert in tournament games.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #64

    Arctor

    htdavidht wrote:

    Ok, I am not going to read 4 pages to see if someone ready post the same thing.

    Basically this is a trick that some strong playesrs do sometimes. It is consider rude, to do this, some players just don't care.

    The deal is simple, OTB games you no longer have to write down the moves when you only have 5 minutes on your time. So the player pretty much decides to play a blitz game agaings you, you have to write down and think your moves, that is more than enougth time for him to think his moves. If You play moves whiout writing down, he will bitch about it, as well, even get to call the refery on you for not followin the rules.

    As I say, not all the players do this, it is consider rude and disrespecfull. Still sometimes some player pull out this stuff in front of a player he considers inferior and inexpert in tournament games.


    Your post is wrong in so many ways.

    Using your allotted time is not considered rude.

    A player gets no advantage using the strategy you outlined, he has simply wasted most of his time for nothing. A better strategy for a stronger player would be to play quickly and get you in time trouble.

    Having said that, it's not unlikely that where you see one obvious move, the stronger player also sees a move you didn't see at all and needs time to choose between the two. Or where you see two moves as identical, the stronger player see's a subtle but important difference and needs time to choose between the two.

    OTB chess is as much an exercise in stamina, concentration and psychology as it is in pure chess playing ability anyway. If that bothers you, stick to playing blitz or correspondence chess.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #65

    Scottstallion

    If an oppenent is going out of their way to play the "stall" game. Look at it this way, they are showing you that the only strategy that they have left at there disposal is the "stall"  and that your game is better than their's. Think of it as a compliment to your abbilitiesWink

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #66

    blake78613

    I recall once in a team competition, the Soviet Union noticed that their opponents playing the white boards were copying the Soviet moves.  So the Soviets all let their clocks run down to about 5 minutes and then played blitz.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #67

    htdavidht

    Arctor wrote:
    htdavidht wrote:

    Ok, I am not going to read 4 pages to see if someone ready post the same thing.

    Basically this is a trick that some strong playesrs do sometimes. It is consider rude, to do this, some players just don't care.

    The deal is simple, OTB games you no longer have to write down the moves when you only have 5 minutes on your time. So the player pretty much decides to play a blitz game agaings you, you have to write down and think your moves, that is more than enougth time for him to think his moves. If You play moves whiout writing down, he will bitch about it, as well, even get to call the refery on you for not followin the rules.

    As I say, not all the players do this, it is consider rude and disrespecfull. Still sometimes some player pull out this stuff in front of a player he considers inferior and inexpert in tournament games.


    Your post is wrong in so many ways.

    Using your allotted time is not considered rude.

    A player gets no advantage using the strategy you outlined, he has simply wasted most of his time for nothing. A better strategy for a stronger player would be to play quickly and get you in time trouble.

    Having said that, it's not unlikely that where you see one obvious move, the stronger player also sees a move you didn't see at all and needs time to choose between the two. Or where you see two moves as identical, the stronger player see's a subtle but important difference and needs time to choose between the two.

    OTB chess is as much an exercise in stamina, concentration and psychology as it is in pure chess playing ability anyway. If that bothers you, stick to playing blitz or correspondence chess.


    Maybe you don't consider this rude, I do and know plently of people who consider this rude.

    I know it is posible to find some player who doen't manage time, spend 30 minutes in a move and then time out at the end of the game. Can happend. Still there is some people who spend 30 minutes in 1 move, another 15 minutes in the next move and then play blitz, few seconds per move until they win. In this cases, oviusly there is something else going on.

    I know of a "bullet" champion who does this very often. (in Spanish lenguage we call this fast chess "ping pong" refering to the table game). here a video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRIVijlX9Xs

    What they win by doing this?, they don't have to sit on front of the board to waith and think trough while the other player is thinking, they don't have to write down each single move.

    The bullet champion usually goes for some coffee, walk arround talk to people. He is very direct and ovius in what he does. Other players do the same and are not too much direct on it.

    The concept is basic. A payer belives that can pull out better chess on blitz than the oponent on regular chess. Still as the oponent have to at least write down the moves, there is plently of time to think what to move. While the other is writing down. So even if the timer says 5 minutes, there is really more time than that to think, becouse is thinking on the other's player time.

    So lest just think about this for a minute. One player have a score of lest say 1900 on bullet chess (1 minute per player), the other have a score of 1300 on normal chess (1 hour per player). And you are counting on the other player having to spend time to write down moves + think. Some people belive they can win games whit no problem doing this stuff.

    I consider it  rude and disrespecfull to treat the other player this way.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #68

    htdavidht

    browniebear wrote:

    Play on the iPad app that Chess.com has.

    First it has a really nice interface and I love dragging around the pieces with my finger than using the mouse.  Also not stuck having to sit at the computer during the game. Can go get something from the kitchen, check on the kids, see what's on TV or go to the bathroom.

    Last night for example I had time to play several games in a row.  This one player that lost after some very poor moves asked me to play again.  I did!  Well that was a learning experience.  After about 5 moves each he didn't move again for about 20 minutesl.  This was in a 30 min. game.  I thought the connection was down as he didn't even respond to a quick chat message.  I guess he hoped I would disconnect or something.  Well took the iPad to the kitchen and had a sandwich while his clock ran.  All of a sudden a move!  Well clearly after this wait there was no way he wouldn't lose on time. So I just played careful as usual and didn't blunder anywhere and he lost on time.

    Now I'm hesitant to accept a game request from someone I've just won against.  Has anyone else noticed this behaviour or was this a one time thing?

    Thanks


    This is online chess, we where talking about On The Board games.

    Yes, I used to pull out this same thing when I was losing online games. That is block chat (I found out the other player maybe find entertaining on the chat and waits more time on the window becouse of this, so bloking the chat takes away the only thing they have to play with while waiting the time) and let the time run low, then just make a move few minutes before the end hoping the other player when to check e-mail or whaever. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. From my point of view the game was ready lost, so I played with the time, and some times as you do, people play back rigth away. Sometimes the other user time out. Sometimes they back just on time to play, but then both of us are tigh on time.

    I stoped doing this when the "fair play" stuff come into use. As it seams there is some sort of timer per single move also.

    I found it funny that sometimes they even whent to my profile page to drop mean notes (nobody have ever whent to my profile to say something nice). You know the ones that call me names, like loser and childish. I just deleted them and move on. But certanly if they get upset about this, then they may no be able to play as good chess as they usually do and that was more on my favor.

    As I say, I haven't done this since the fair play stuff, becouse now I think it is risking the account after this.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #69

    Sokrates1984

    I draw after a great attack! But then overplayed and was lucky to be offering a draw. But E4, e6, b3! What a nice move, this move is my new favorite. Espiacially against quiet and positional players. After 0-0-0 and g pawn and h pawn coming up the table, the typically french player will look sad dreaming of hes favorite positions.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #70

    Sokrates1984

    So I keep my rating. And can now relaxed for the last 3 games. Tomorrow I am playing a 2240 player. Number 140 in Denmark. So tomorrow is just for learning. He play the Londonsystem and I have the black peaces.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #71

    mrguy888

    blake78613 wrote:

    I recall once in a team competition, the Soviet Union noticed that their opponents playing the white boards were copying the Soviet moves.  So the Soviets all let their clocks run down to about 5 minutes and then played blitz.


    That would not have any effect if their moves were being copied...

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #72

    Sokrates1984

    He just looked at me and said, who had learn you that type off move.. Respect from move 2. Brilliant. :-)

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #73

    UnratedGamesOnly

    Sokrates1984 wrote:

    Is waiting 30 minuts before making a sutle and somehow obvious move to get the opponent sleepy and relaxed, and make him make mistakes good strategy og bad behavior in a OTB game?


     I dont think its out of the ordinary for someone to take a long time to make a move out of the opening.  Reshevsky was notorious for doing this.


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