online chess rating vs usfc rating

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25th February 2009, 02:39pm
#1
by kungfoodchef
vigrinia United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 260

well i just did my first tornament and i came out with a rating of 841 and went in unrated. As you can see my live chess and online chess are between 1350- 1450. i was just wondering if this is really correct.

Thank you, KFC

25th February 2009, 02:59pm
#2
by goldendog
beertopia United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 2041

It doesn't surprse me. Give yourself some time to adapt to otb. Your rating will be on the rise soon enough.

Comparing cc ratings here to sanctioned otb is truly apples and oranges, apart from the inflated ratings here.

25th February 2009, 03:18pm
#3
by mnag
San Diego United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 132

USCF ratings are usually not considered reliable until you have played over 25 games. That is, they are considered provisional and a different formula is used to calculate your ratings. Don't worry just keep playing until you have amassed 25+ games.

25th February 2009, 03:24pm
#4
by Kupov
Banff Alberta Canada
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 1632

Live chess and USCF are usually almost identical, however the CC chess ratings are very inflated (200-400 pts).

25th February 2009, 04:42pm
#5
by kungfoodchef
vigrinia United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 260

thank you very much!!

25th February 2009, 04:53pm
#6
by Bruiser419
Ohio United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 301

Well, I wouldn't say that the Online chess ratings are "inflated".  They just represent a different type of chess than live and OTB.  People playing online chess should have higher online chess ratings than OTB or Live since they have the oppurtunity to use books and certain other things and also have longer time periods to make theiur decisions, as opposed to having to play a whole game in a relatively short period of time.

25th February 2009, 05:01pm
#7
by goldendog
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Member Points: 2041

I have looked at a couple of dozen cc games here. Not all that many, to be sure, but in each case I see some quite bad play that does not correspond with what I know of USCF otb-ers with similar ratings. The cc games are much worse quality than what I see otb, with similar ratings. I can only conclude that the ratings are very inflated as they express chess skill/knowledge.

Live chess. Haven't looked at one game so I have no opinion.

25th February 2009, 05:07pm
#8
by NM ozzie_c_cobblepot
United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 3590

To add to the previous poster's point: You would expect an increase in quality, not a decrease in quality, given that each player has so much more time to think about their moves.

25th February 2009, 05:08pm
#9
by dunnce
philadelphia United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 22

Have to agree with Kupov and Goldendog: the ratings here are inflated compared to USCF by at least 200 points.  I recently had a game with a 1600 who left his queen in take. This is when he had 3 days to look over his move! You would not see a USCF 1600 do that in a tournament otb game, and certainly not in a game  where you can move the pieces to analyze for 3 days before you move.

25th February 2009, 05:17pm
#10
by WacoChessClub
Waco, Texas United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 19

CC Chess ratings are very overinflated especially when compared to ICCF Correspondence Chess ratings.

As far as Live chess or CC here compared to OTB it is impossible to compare the two.  I have seen over rated and under rated players in Live chess and much of it stems from having 3-15 minutes to play a game versus an hour or more.  I personally rarely break 1600 playing online chess on any sever yet I'm rated 1716 USCF OTB and 1780 ICCF.

25th February 2009, 05:19pm
#11
by JetSetter
United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 195

Also...chess.com uses the Glicko rating formula...which is not the same as the USCF rating formula. Mark Glickman has done significant work on the USCF formula (he's the Chairman of the Ratings Committee), but he released Glicko and Glicko-II to the public domain. Keep in mind that this difference doesn't impact the "accuracy" of either rating, only that the ratings will differ when all-else-is-equal. For me personally, I put no stock in chess.com (or FICS, or ICC) ratings b/c I don't take this nearly as seriously as I do USCF or FIDE.

25th February 2009, 05:26pm
#12
by merchco
Westmeath Ireland
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 561

What is fide and usfc  

25th February 2009, 05:29pm
#13
by Kupov
Banff Alberta Canada
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 1632
WacoChessClub wrote:

CC Chess ratings are very overinflated especially when compared to ICCF Correspondence Chess ratings.

As far as Live chess or CC here compared to OTB it is impossible to compare the two.  I have seen over rated and under rated players in Live chess and much of it stems from having 3-15 minutes to play a game versus an hour or more.  I personally rarely break 1600 playing online chess on any sever yet I'm rated 1716 USCF OTB and 1780 ICCF.


Nearly everyone I see with a USCF rating has an almost identical live chess rating (until about 2000 or so when the competition on live chess thins and makes the ratings unreliable).

25th February 2009, 05:29pm
#14
by WacoChessClub
Waco, Texas United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 19

USCF - US Chess Federation

FIDE - World Chess Federation

ICCF - International Correspondence Chess Federation

25th February 2009, 05:33pm
#15
by WacoChessClub
Waco, Texas United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 19
Kupov wrote:
WacoChessClub wrote:

CC Chess ratings are very overinflated especially when compared to ICCF Correspondence Chess ratings.

As far as Live chess or CC here compared to OTB it is impossible to compare the two.  I have seen over rated and under rated players in Live chess and much of it stems from having 3-15 minutes to play a game versus an hour or more.  I personally rarely break 1600 playing online chess on any sever yet I'm rated 1716 USCF OTB and 1780 ICCF.


Nearly everyone I see with a USCF rating has an almost identical live chess rating (until about 2000 or so when the competition on live chess thins and makes the ratings unreliable).


I disagree, and I don't mean to come off as insulting you, but 4 months serious chess playing does not give you a sense of whether someone with a 1600 chess.com rating is playin at a 1600 USCF level.

25th February 2009, 05:38pm
#16
by fgm351
Causeway Bay Hong Kong
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 242
WacoChessClub wrote:
Kupov wrote:
WacoChessClub wrote:

CC Chess ratings are very overinflated especially when compared to ICCF Correspondence Chess ratings.

As far as Live chess or CC here compared to OTB it is impossible to compare the two.  I have seen over rated and under rated players in Live chess and much of it stems from having 3-15 minutes to play a game versus an hour or more.  I personally rarely break 1600 playing online chess on any sever yet I'm rated 1716 USCF OTB and 1780 ICCF.


Nearly everyone I see with a USCF rating has an almost identical live chess rating (until about 2000 or so when the competition on live chess thins and makes the ratings unreliable).


I disagree, and I don't mean to come off as insulting you, but 4 months serious chess playing does not give you a sense of whether someone with a 1600 chess.com rating is playin at a 1600 USCF level.


 HMMMMMMM SEEMS INTERESTIN" TO ME......my chess.com CC is 600 points too high......judging that at the time of writing my on the board rating is 660.

25th February 2009, 05:41pm
#17
by goldendog
beertopia United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 2041

In regard to Live Chess, I imagine all those USCF ratings in people's profiles are from slow standard otb play. If the Chess Live rating is dervived from games of bullet or blitz or rapid then there's another reason we can't directly compare them. Some thrive in the quick play while others play like garbage.

25th February 2009, 05:46pm
#18
by Kupov
Banff Alberta Canada
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 1632
WacoChessClub wrote:
Kupov wrote:
WacoChessClub wrote:

CC Chess ratings are very overinflated especially when compared to ICCF Correspondence Chess ratings.

As far as Live chess or CC here compared to OTB it is impossible to compare the two.  I have seen over rated and under rated players in Live chess and much of it stems from having 3-15 minutes to play a game versus an hour or more.  I personally rarely break 1600 playing online chess on any sever yet I'm rated 1716 USCF OTB and 1780 ICCF.


Nearly everyone I see with a USCF rating has an almost identical live chess rating (until about 2000 or so when the competition on live chess thins and makes the ratings unreliable).


I disagree, and I don't mean to come off as insulting you, but 4 months serious chess playing does not give you a sense of whether someone with a 1600 chess.com rating is playin at a 1600 USCF level.


I have never played a rated OTB tournament. I am basing my idea entirely around people whose profiles I have seen.

25th February 2009, 06:02pm
#19
by spoiler
North Bergen, New Jersey United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 311

I say this to ratings here at uscf, at fide at icc at anywhere:Tongue out

Play because you LOVE to play and NOT for stupid points!

ps: I am WAY overrated

25th February 2009, 06:10pm
#20
by SilentWalker
Milpitas, CA United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 551

I think the proof is in the pudding.  There was one player on Chess.com that reached 4000 live rating for quick games...That would not be possible over the board - I do not have a lot of over the board experience - but I can say there is definitely an adjustment I have to make when playing over the board - the visual perspective is different for me - cannot speak for others...

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