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Opponent not familiar with the 50-move rule + pre-moves = a win!


  • 23 months ago · #1

    check2008

    Exhausting game. I realized he wasn't familiar with the 50-move rule and I knew that, if I used pre-moves, I could remain up on time till he finally ran out. I thought the bishop/pawn position was pretty neat!
  • 23 months ago · #2

    ivandh

    I think that is probably a record for longest game which ended in a win, and possibly for longest game ever.

  • 23 months ago · #3

    aquiredtaste

    You can make premoves in timed games?  How?

  • 23 months ago · #4

    Maradonna

    aquiredtaste wrote:

    You can make premoves in timed games?  How?


     when it is not you move - move your piece. It will highlight red. To cancel a pre-move use the right mouse button.

    Be careful how you use this weapon - I've lost many games because I'm not as smart as I'm trying to be :)

  • 23 months ago · #5

    dominicbody2

    Pathetic is a bit harsh.

    But that couldn't have been a clearer draw - surely you felt a bit dodgy swindling it like that?

  • 23 months ago · #6

    bobbyDK

    your game should only have lasted 121.

    The longest game  Nikolić-Arsović, Belgrade 1989, which lasted for 269 moves

    The longest decisive tournament game is Fressinet–Kosteniuk, Villandry 2007, which Kosteniuk won in 237 moves

    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_chess

  • 23 months ago · #7

    check2008

    It wasn't the best win I've ever gotten, but a win is a win. A victory on time is just as good as a victory on the board. 

    In chess, if you lose, you deserve to lose. It's not uncommon for someone to get defeated, then claim that they outplayed their opponent and simply got unlucky. 

    Losing on time because you were trying to be careful is no different than falling into a mate in one because you were moving too fast.

    With all respect, Bregnt, a win is most certainly a win no matter how "pathetic" the method involved is (with possible exceptions to OTB strangling)! And I definitely wouldn't call this particular game disrespectful to chess - after all, there is a 50-move rule that my opponent could've taken advantage of by simply clicking the "draw" button - I wouldn't have even had to click "accept." 

  • 23 months ago · #8

    bobbyDK

    I agree with Bregnt

    you should have given him a draw you both spent 50 move.

    in soccer people make goals with their hands because the referee doesn't see it and celebrate their win.

    rules doesn't apply to them as long as they win.

    if for one you certain do not win the best sportmanship trohpy for that win any place.

  • 23 months ago · #9

    Estragon

    In general, I agree that a win on time is a win, and no crying allowed.

    However, when you play on in a hopelessly drawn position just to run out his clock, that goes beyond the pale.  It would be one thing if the drawn position were achieved only as his clock ticked down, and he ran out in a move or so, that could be justified.  Making him keep moving for so long for the sole purpose of running out his clock isn't really chess, though.

  • 23 months ago · #10

    dunce

    Evidently your opponent was also premoving or he'd have picked off a pawn when you retreated your Bishop.

  • 23 months ago · #11

    pdela

    Maybe he knew the rule but he didn't know he had to claimed it by clicking the offer draw botton. Anyway, he may be not familiar with the rule because none in his sane judge would have play this out

  • 23 months ago · #12

    ultimifier

    winning on time is one thing, drawing on time is another. this is a draw. you are pathetic. and to put it on here to try and impress us? 

    its members like you that can ruin online chess 

  • 23 months ago · #13

    Dragec

    Not only this was realy unimaginable to be played out, but to post it and brag about it ? Frown

  • 23 months ago · #14

    thekibitzer

    People winning on time like this at blitz happens all the time, just a part of the game. If I am right, if the other guy had offered the draw it would have auto claimed the 50move rule, so partly his own fault.

    It's only blitz, there are several GMs that play on in draws at otb, I remeber recently Van Wely had something like a 19 fold repetition before either person claimed the draw. Is it more acceptable for them to play on just because of titles?

    OK this is live rated, but does it really matter? It is just people wasting their own time.

  • 23 months ago · #15

    check2008

    Ultimifier, this was not a draw on time, this was a win on time. Please read the posts before commenting. 

    It seems those with the higher ratings here agree with me - a win is a win, even if it does seem a bit dodgy or pale.

    Reminds me of college grades... Tongue out I would say, "Grades are important!", and those with the sub-3.0 GPA would say I was wrong, while those with the 3.7+ or so would completely agree.

    Bobby, we both spent fifty moves, like you said, but there is more to the rule than that - one of the players must accept the draw for it to be counted as such!

  • 23 months ago · #16

    invariance

    Where can I drop off this "Good Sportsmanship" trophy?

  • 23 months ago · #17

    Gil-Gandel

    "Ha ha, my opponent didn't know where the button was to claim the statutory draw. Aren't I clever?"

    I don't think our ratings are so different - given that I haven't lost yet on chess.com there's evidence that I haven't reached my actual rating - so I'm afraid that weakens your case for saying "everyone who calls it bad sportmanship sux @ chess lol!". I personally would never dream of claiming a win on time in a patently drawn position, still less would I try to sucker someone into it, still less would I then boast about it afterwards FFS. But I suppose we were all once acne-ridden adolescents desperate for something to boast about. Twit.

  • 23 months ago · #18

    lTheAbsoluteValuel

    OH MY GOODNESS ME...sry had to do that, the world cup commentators are just hilarious...i love em'

  • 23 months ago · #19

    check2008

    Gill, like Ultimifier, please read all posts before sharing your own opinion. No where did I say I was bragging about my win (it was unrated even!). This post is not about whether I won or lost - I'd have posted this thread even if I had lost! I'm simply wanting to share the position that arose in the game - hence the whole "I thought the bishop/pawn position was pretty neat" in the very first post.

    No where did I say "everyone who calls it had sportsmanship sux @ chess lol!". If you wanna paraphrase, that's fine, but don't use quotes that way - that's not how you use em' (you don't have to be an English major...).

    And besides Gill... you're not arguing with me, you're arguing with the past U.S. champion GM Hikaru Nakamura. Nearly everything I've said so far has been directly from his book (I even had to get it out and read through it again to make sure I got the wording right).

    I'm not making fun of my opponent either - again, please read all comments. If he wanted the draw, he was one click away from getting it.

    You said you'd "personally never dream of claiming a win in a patently drawn position." That's fine - that's your opinion. You're up against Anand for the world championship, you have an hour to his ten seconds, the position from my game arises in your game with Anand, and you call it a draw. Yet again, that's fine. I personally would grab the win in an instant. No reason to call people names Smile

    Just a simple misunderstanding, I'm sure Gill - no hard feelings.

  • 23 months ago · #20

    FirebrandX

    check2008 wrote:

    It wasn't the best win I've ever gotten, but a win is a win. A victory on time is just as good as a victory on the board. 

    In chess, if you lose, you deserve to lose. It's not uncommon for someone to get defeated, then claim that they outplayed their opponent and simply got unlucky. 

    Losing on time because you were trying to be careful is no different than falling into a mate in one because you were moving too fast.

    With all respect, Bregnt, a win is most certainly a win no matter how "pathetic" the method involved is (with possible exceptions to OTB strangling)! And I definitely wouldn't call this particular game disrespectful to chess - after all, there is a 50-move rule that my opponent could've taken advantage of by simply clicking the "draw" button - I wouldn't have even had to click "accept." 


    It's the kind of stuff that gets you put on "no-play" lists. Your win is a technical exploit of chess.com's rather dubious requirement of having to claim a draw in a blitz game rather than it being automated like it is on every other live server. In this case, the way you won was only possible on chess.com, but it wouldn't work on any other server, and certainly wouldn't wash OTB either.

    Now the reason I claim chess.com's blitz system is dubious is because of the time it takes to manually claim a draw when it is applicable. Because of the fast nature of blitz, the NORMAL method of blitz servers is to automate the process so the players can focus entirely on reaching the draw, rather than having to scramble to press the draw button. In a game where premoves are essential, being able to reach an automated draw is paramount when your opponent is trying to run you out of time.


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