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20th March 2009, 01:54pm
#1
by Kingfisher
Johannesburg South Africa
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1927

I have a question on OTB rules, specifically touch-move.

If a player touches a piece and moves it despite the fact that the said piece cannot make a legal move on that turn, what happens? The move naturally is cancelled, but what of the touch-move rule? Does the player get penalized in some way?

20th March 2009, 02:12pm
#2
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 4945

There is no penalty under the touch move rule. But there is a penalty for making an illegal move. This is probably a rule that varies depending on national federation, and probably also over time. My most recent experience is that there is a two minute penalty for an illegal move (either decreasing the offending players clock, or increasing the other player's clock).

20th March 2009, 02:15pm
#3
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 2720

If there is any legal move the piece can make, it must move. If not, there is not penalty... however abusing this rule and picking up a pinned piece and pressing your lips to it saying, "oooooh I love you Bishop but you can't mooove nooo..." will get you in trouble with the tournament director.

20th March 2009, 02:20pm
#4
by xbigboy
Minnesota United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2936
JG27Pyth wrote:

If there is any legal move the piece can make, it must move. If not, there is not penalty... however abusing this rule and picking up a pinned piece and pressing your lips to it saying, "oooooh I love you Bishop but you can't mooove nooo..." will get you in trouble with the tournament director.


 lol

20th March 2009, 03:18pm
#5
by Kingfisher
Johannesburg South Africa
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1927
Loomis wrote:

There is no penalty under the touch move rule. But there is a penalty for making an illegal move. This is probably a rule that varies depending on national federation, and probably also over time. My most recent experience is that there is a two minute penalty for an illegal move (either decreasing the offending players clock, or increasing the other player's clock).


So, if I were to touch a pinned piece but not move it from it's square, there is no penalty?

20th March 2009, 03:29pm
#6
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 4407

KingFisher, if the piece cannot legally move, I believe Loomis is right.

I made an illegal move with only 8 seconds on my clock a month ago and the TD (who is an NM) said he could reduce my clock time to 4 seconds--my opponent declined.

20th March 2009, 03:48pm
#7
by NM Reb
United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 7857
likesforests wrote:

KingFisher, if the piece cannot legally move, I believe Loomis is right.

I made an illegal move with only 8 seconds on my clock a month ago and the TD (who is an NM) said he could reduce my clock time to 4 seconds--my opponent declined.


 Usually time penalties are enforced by adding time to the opponents clock. At least I am pretty sure thats the way FIDE does it.

20th March 2009, 03:51pm
#8
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 4407

NM Reb, just checked. Yep, USCF 1.11D - 2 minutes added to the opponent's clock. It was 16 minutes to 8 seconds, so it didn't matter too much in my case. Good to know.

 

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