OTB illegal move

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20th March 2009, 01:54pm
#1
by Kingfisher
Johannesburg South Africa
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1699

I have a question on OTB rules, specifically touch-move.

If a player touches a piece and moves it despite the fact that the said piece cannot make a legal move on that turn, what happens? The move naturally is cancelled, but what of the touch-move rule? Does the player get penalized in some way?

20th March 2009, 02:12pm
#2
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 3111

There is no penalty under the touch move rule. But there is a penalty for making an illegal move. This is probably a rule that varies depending on national federation, and probably also over time. My most recent experience is that there is a two minute penalty for an illegal move (either decreasing the offending players clock, or increasing the other player's clock).

20th March 2009, 02:15pm
#3
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 1485

If there is any legal move the piece can make, it must move. If not, there is not penalty... however abusing this rule and picking up a pinned piece and pressing your lips to it saying, "oooooh I love you Bishop but you can't mooove nooo..." will get you in trouble with the tournament director.

20th March 2009, 02:20pm
#4
by xbigboy
Minnesota United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2873
JG27Pyth wrote:

If there is any legal move the piece can make, it must move. If not, there is not penalty... however abusing this rule and picking up a pinned piece and pressing your lips to it saying, "oooooh I love you Bishop but you can't mooove nooo..." will get you in trouble with the tournament director.


 lol

20th March 2009, 03:18pm
#5
by Kingfisher
Johannesburg South Africa
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1699
Loomis wrote:

There is no penalty under the touch move rule. But there is a penalty for making an illegal move. This is probably a rule that varies depending on national federation, and probably also over time. My most recent experience is that there is a two minute penalty for an illegal move (either decreasing the offending players clock, or increasing the other player's clock).


So, if I were to touch a pinned piece but not move it from it's square, there is no penalty?

20th March 2009, 03:29pm
#6
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 4407

KingFisher, if the piece cannot legally move, I believe Loomis is right.

I made an illegal move with only 8 seconds on my clock a month ago and the TD (who is an NM) said he could reduce my clock time to 4 seconds--my opponent declined.

20th March 2009, 03:48pm
#7
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4193
likesforests wrote:

KingFisher, if the piece cannot legally move, I believe Loomis is right.

I made an illegal move with only 8 seconds on my clock a month ago and the TD (who is an NM) said he could reduce my clock time to 4 seconds--my opponent declined.


 Usually time penalties are enforced by adding time to the opponents clock. At least I am pretty sure thats the way FIDE does it.

20th March 2009, 03:51pm
#8
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 4407

NM Reb, just checked. Yep, USCF 1.11D - 2 minutes added to the opponent's clock. It was 16 minutes to 8 seconds, so it didn't matter too much in my case. Good to know.

20th March 2009, 03:59pm
#9
by JetSetter
United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 195

FIDE Laws of Chess (4.5) state that "If none of the pieces touched can be moved or captured, the player may make any legal move." So no penalty. Same for USCF (10D).

All that changes if an illegal move is determined and completed (ie opponent's clock is started). In that case the FIDE penalty is 2min to the opponent's time (Laws 7.4b). USCF penalties enforce a 2min penalty in a sudden death time control (11D)...so if there are multiple time controls (such as 40/120, G/60), there is no penalty.

 

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