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14th November 2009, 02:59am
#1
by unklecyril
Fairy Meadow, Wollongong Australia
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 275

How much do you think our ratings are over-rated by out-of-time wins? 200 points?

14th November 2009, 04:36am
#2
by Qwertyuiop135
Brisbane Australia
Member Since: Jun 2009
Member Points: 108

Not very much, as your ratings are generally a solid reflection of where you are. Sure, out-of time wins may inflate your rating for a little while, but it should drop down to where you should be.

14th November 2009, 06:58am
#3
by TadDude
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 3689
unklecyril wrote:

How much do you think our ratings are over-rated by out-of-time wins? 200 points?


All players' chess.com rating is impacted by timeouts. Any free rating points you get, you pass along to others until it all equals out.

Taking into consideration all the players on the site, nobody is over-rated due to opponent timeouts.

14th November 2009, 09:27am
#4
by rich
United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 27854

Time wins don't inflate your rating.

14th November 2009, 09:32am
#5
by eddiewsox
Chicago United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 1668

People win on time Over the Board as well.

14th November 2009, 12:42pm
#6
by Dozy
Blue Mountains Australia
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 2342

Maybe not too much.  The trick is not to accept challenges from people who have too many time-outs to their credit. I've stopped playing in "no vacation" tournaments too -- partly because of the risk of winning by time-out and partly for fear of being caught and timing out on a few myself...

There was a major change to the way time-outs were handled some time ago when one guy, who was playing more than 1000 games simultaneously, started timing out. If my memory hasn't seized up altogether, he had visited his grandmother for a short vacation.  She didn't have Internet access and by  the time he returned to Cyberland he was less than popular.

He was a reasonably strong player and his rating was reduced to a level where anybody who played him in the future would have lost a lot of points because of the apparent rating difference.

Because of that Erik introduced a system where multiple time-outs only reduced the timer-outer's rating to a particular level.

That isn't directly related to your question, but it happened before you joined chess.com so I thought it might give you a bit of background.

15th November 2009, 08:27am
#7
by thegab03
on the road to nowhere! Ireland
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 46638

I'd say around 150-250, yo!

17th November 2009, 12:50am
#8
by unklecyril
Fairy Meadow, Wollongong Australia
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 275

I agree Gab...I collect on time-outs all the time and it is not because I am winning, on some time-outs I have been losing easily...I suppose if everyone is getting similar numbers of time-outs then everyone's ratings reflect this and it evens out. The result is that our ratings are notional than than real and relevant only to chess.com, and that's alright...cheers

17th November 2009, 06:41am
#9
by thegab03
on the road to nowhere! Ireland
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 46638

I reached 1940 last Christmas on time outs, I'm normally struggling to stay in the 1800 barier, yo!

24th November 2009, 07:27pm
#10
by unklecyril
Fairy Meadow, Wollongong Australia
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 275

Yep, and if you look at the rating of the average opponent of a player it is much less than the player's current rating...and the higher the rating the bigger the gap...

25th November 2009, 01:01am
#11
by Annalee
Las vegas United States
Member Since: Nov 2009
Member Points: 1

hmmm

 

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