Pawns VS Pieces

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5th October 2008, 08:39pm
#1
by DaPharaoh
Gaithersburg, MD United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
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Lets say you have 3 pawns for a minor piece. What's the best way to use the pawns against their piece? and if you had the piece, what is the best way to use that piece against the pawns? ( example: trade pawns/trade pieces/pawn storm..etc)

EDIT:

From experience I found that 3 pawns are way superior in the endgame IF they are connected. If the pawns are not connected the piece is usually better.

In the middle game I found that it can very depending on the position

what do you guys think?

5th October 2008, 08:43pm
#2
by iBEAST
middle of the United States
Member Since: Oct 2008
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vs a bishop blockcade as many same color dialongials

5th October 2008, 08:49pm
#3
by DaPharaoh
Gaithersburg, MD United States
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Member Points: 1363
iBEAST wrote:

vs a bishop blockcade as many same color dialongials


 hmm thats interesting, what about the principal of getting your pawns off of same colored squares as the bishop? does that not apply?

5th October 2008, 09:16pm
#4
by xMenace
Rothesay, NB Canada
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 846

To take those pawns requires expending time and probably space. As the holder of the extra piece, I would choose to use my superior development to launch an immediate attack against whatever was logical. I'm looking for a few things: mate, queen, exchange, or even win a pawn or weaken them.

As holder of a pawn advantage, I'd think you'd want to exchange down pieces and advance the pawns  as connected and with as much support as possible. The further they advance, the stronger they become as well as potentially weaker. Kings will be crucial.

5th October 2008, 09:19pm
#5
by zlhflans
Tampa Bay, Fl United States
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3 pawns & a king is worth a rook or less almost always.

6th October 2008, 12:08pm
#6
by xMenace
Rothesay, NB Canada
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zlhflans wrote:

3 pawns & a king is worth a rook or less almost always.


 But three pawns alone is worth only a minor piece. A bishop can easily stop them.

6th October 2008, 12:22pm
#7
by Skeptikill
Ireland Ireland
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xMenace wrote:
zlhflans wrote:

3 pawns & a king is worth a rook or less almost always.


 But three pawns alone is worth only a minor piece. A bishop can easily stop them.


it depends on the position and what is left on the board. If it is just 3 pawns against a bishop or a knight or a rook alone i would much prefer the 3 pawns!

6th October 2008, 12:34pm
#8
by rollingpawns
Canada
Member Since: Sep 2008
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Yesterday I had an online game with R+7P vs. R+N+3P, 4 of my pawns were connected passed pawns on the queenside. His pieces couldn't do anything, just watch how my pawns advanced with the help of the rook. 

8th October 2008, 07:17pm
#9
by xMenace
Rothesay, NB Canada
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 846

I wanted to post this earlier, but i was still playing it. It's an example of winning with the piece.

 

I'd love to see anyone's game where three pawns won, preferrably from the middlegame.

 

Enjoy.

30th January 2009, 09:46pm
#10
by ADK
Santa Clarita, CA United States
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I think if it was K+P+P+P vs. K+B Or K+N, the K+P+P+P will have a huge advantage.

ADK

30th January 2009, 10:04pm
#11
by goldendog
beertopia United States
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Member Points: 2312

Don't worry about your pieces; they are like baby teeth and you can afford to lose all of them because you just promote your pawns to a new set. Your opponent will be confused by this strategy and probably blunder and resign.

30th January 2009, 10:32pm
#12
by brandonQDSH
Honolulu, HI United States
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I think if it was K+P+P+P vs. K+B Or K+N, the K+P+P+P will have a huge advantage.

ADK

UM . . . HUGE advantage is an understatement considering if you're the side with K + 3P you um . . . CAN'T LOSE!!

But seriously, xMenance has a good example of how usually the piece is much better than extra pawns. It's like almost 100% to have a Bishop or Knight vs. 2 extra pawns. Against 3 pawns, well, I guess that's why it's close to even and the other side can battle back.

If you have good piece activity though, the extra piece will often matter a lot. 2 Knights+ 1 Bishop  + 3 pawns VS. 1 Knight and 1 Bishop and 6 pawns; it's good to have the extra piece if you know how to use it. But if you have a lot of pawns on the board, it's hard to use the Bishop to maximum efficiency.

30th January 2009, 10:52pm
#13
by dlordmagic
greenville, SC United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 406

In the endgame, K-P-P-P hands down. If the pawns are chained together the you can get a win. slowly though. I once had this endgame, K-N-P vs K-R and won, because he couldnt get his king close enough to stop my king from dipping behind my pieces to get out of a rook check.That went on for like 30 moves going up the board slowly. I have it my archives here, so ill post that one. Once I find it.

29th April 2009, 06:32pm
#14
by Qwertykeyboard
Maplewood, New Jersey United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 88

Depends on pawn position. If it's two a pawns and a h pawn, you'll be picked off. A pawn mass can easily break through.

29th April 2009, 06:59pm
#15
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
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Member Points: 2797
It depends on the position. Values can also change drastically after the transition from middlegame to endgame.
29th April 2009, 07:14pm
#16
by MyNames
United States
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Member Points: 488

The only way for the K+B to lose against the K+3P is this way

29th April 2009, 07:16pm
#17
by nightmare_jx16
(Currently living in the UK) Philippines
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Member Points: 1269

Try your knight to make a triple fork

29th April 2009, 07:28pm
#18
by AtahanT
Sweden
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Member Points: 302
MyNames wrote:

The only way for the K+B to lose against the K+3P is this way

 


Huh? Black is going to win most likely? Please explain?

29th April 2009, 07:43pm
#19
by DaPharaoh
Gaithersburg, MD United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 1363
MyNames wrote:

The only way for the K+B to lose against the K+3P is this way

 


Yea white wins easily with Kf7!

its impossible for black to win

 

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