Photogenic Memory In Chess?

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25th June 2008, 11:10pm
#1
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
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Photogenic memory I believe is a mental condition that allows people to remember things easiler than average people because their brain can take a snapshot of what they see. Even though it's rare I bet someone like that could memorize entire books on chess. I thought about it after seeing it on an episode of CSI. What do you guys think about this?

25th June 2008, 11:15pm
#2
by kohai
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Sorry for my ignorance, but i thought photogenic was how someone appears in photos [as in photogenic infront of a camera] and photographic memory was being able to memorise at a glance.
25th June 2008, 11:28pm
#3
by yoshtodd
Hawaii United States
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kohai wrote: Sorry for my ignorance, but i thought photogenic was how someone appears in photos [as in photogenic infront of a camera] and photographic memory was being able to memorise at a glance.

 No need to apologize, you are right. A photogenic memory makes a funny mental picture though.


25th June 2008, 11:28pm
#4
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
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Photographic.
25th June 2008, 11:54pm
#5
by D977
Las Vegas, Nevada United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
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I have a photographic-pornographic memory... is that the same thing?

 


25th June 2008, 11:59pm
#6
by TonightOnly
Phoenix, AZ United States
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How is that funny?
26th June 2008, 12:00am
#7
by LisaV
Tenerife Canary Islands
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I remember this topic vividly...pregnant pause ;) ...from a college psychology course.  Chess grandmasters and any of us chess goofballs looked at pieces on a chessboard for a period of time, and after the pieces were taken away, they were asked to place the pieces in their original positions.  The grandmasters could replicate the position of pieces on a chess board with shocking accuracy--but only if the pieces had occupied game-like positions.

When the pieces were randomly distributed across the chessboard, the grandmasters could not remember the positions any better than the rest of us.  So, the conclusion--grandmasters were better able to connect how the pieces interacted with one another than daffy old us, but it was their superior understanding of the relationships among the pieces, not photographic memory, that enabled them to better place the pieces on the correct squares.

 

*Pedant alert*  The technical term is "eidetic memory."  As far as I recall (ha), cognitive scientists have yet to find evidence of eidetic/photographic memory.  There are people, however, who can amaze with prodigious memory feats.  Marilu Henner (the siren in "Taxi"), for example, can remember exactly what she did on any day of her life.  I believe cognitive scientists are very curious about abilities like hers, but have yet to find an explanation for them.

If anybody knows better, by all means please correct my not so prodigious memory.  :)


26th June 2008, 12:51am
#8
by oginschile
Salt Lake City, UT United States
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I remember a chessbase article once detailing Magnus Carlsen's study habits. After a tournament when he was 15 years old (or thereabouts) his trainer (or father, or someone... i DON'T have a photographic memory) was showing slides of positions Magnus had studied. Magnus would look at the position, he could detail the position with the players, who won, and what page of what book the slide was taken from.

Safe to say that if Magnus does not have eidetic memory, he sure comes close.


26th June 2008, 01:09am
#9
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
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Kim Peek has an eidetic memory.  He can recal 12,000 books from memory, the ZIP codes and major streets for every city in America, baseball stats from the beginning of the game, and remembers about 98% of everything he reads/sees with precision.
26th June 2008, 01:25am
#10
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
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Side note: Kim Peek also has a photogenic memory, as NASA has recorded images of his brain activity.  Wink
26th June 2008, 01:26am
#11
by oginschile
Salt Lake City, UT United States
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Kim lives in Salt Lake City, my wife and I saw him at the library one day where he frequents. He was the inspiration for the movie rainman of course.

An interesting sidenote (much more than a sidenote actually), is Kim's father. Kim's mother left the family at a young age and Kim's father has not left Kim's side all these many years. Truly amazing devotion, as Kim is not fully capable to care for himself.

Kim is an absolutely amazing story of a Savant (or idiot savant, which is an ironic if not apt term). You can name any date in history and he will tell you within seconds what day of the week it was.


26th June 2008, 01:47am
#12
by fluffy_rabbit
Futako-shinchi Japan
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I remember seeing a show on Discovery channel, where they discussed an experiment where they measured the brain activity of people playing chess.

What they found was that for a regular person, there was most activity in the region assosiated with logic. However, Susan Polgar primarily used the region assosiated with facial recognition.


26th June 2008, 01:50am
#13
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2079
oginschile wrote:

Kim lives in Salt Lake City, my wife and I saw him at the library one day where he frequents. He was the inspiration for the movie rainman of course.

An interesting sidenote (much more than a sidenote actually), is Kim's father. Kim's mother left the family at a young age and Kim's father has not left Kim's side all these many years. Truly amazing devotion, as Kim is not fully capable to care for himself.

Kim is an absolutely amazing story of a Savant (or idiot savant, which is an ironic if not apt term). You can name any date in history and he will tell you within seconds what day of the week it was.


 Yes, Fran Peek is a very devoted and loving father. To this day he combs Kim's hair, brushes his teeth, and buttons his shirts.


26th June 2008, 02:04am
#14
by Marshal_Dillon
New Jersey United States
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The word you're looking for is photoGRAPHIC not photogenic. When someone is photogenic it means they look good in a photograph. It does NOT mean they have good memorization skills.
26th June 2008, 02:15am
#15
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
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Thanks, Marshall.
26th June 2008, 02:55am
#16
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
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Sorry about the typo. No more late night posts for me :)
26th June 2008, 10:25pm
#17
by AWARDCHESS
Los Angeles United States
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The Soviet psyhologist Luria  a few tens years studied the Moscow journalist Schereshevskiy /?/, who was been one of first well known fenomens, with unlimited memory...

He can instantly memorize any facts and data, and recall then, even after a few years... 

He put all data at own memory, like anything  at the known to him city, on the streets, houses, appartments,.. When he recalled the data, he imagined that cities, streets, houses back, like a real subjects, and justnamed the things or data.

There  are a lot of unique  persons all over the world! 

 


26th June 2008, 10:33pm
#18
by Cloyescapade
California United States
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D977 wrote:

I have a photographic-pornographic memory... is that the same thing?

 

 

What a dirty old man


26th June 2008, 10:37pm
#19
by AWARDCHESS
Los Angeles United States
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Most old man are so dirty... Like a baby...
26th June 2008, 10:40pm
#20
by NM tonydal
United States
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Cloyescapade wrote: D977 wrote:

I have a photographic-pornographic memory... is that the same thing?

 

 

What a dirty old man


 What a Puritan


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