Pieces Value

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1st January 2008, 07:12pm
#1
by silverskyski
Canada
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This is a good thing to know in case you ever have to sacrfice something for something. The pieces ranked from highest to lowest (excluding the king).

 

Queen: 9 points

Rook: 4 points

Bishop: 3 points

Knight: 3 points

Pawn: 1 point

 

These are useful when you are sacrficing something for something else. For Example:

Opponent uses rook to take your bishop. On the next move, without any interference, you take his rook. You have the advantage cause you took a higher piece.

But say you lose a knight and for taking an opponents pawn, they have the advantage (This is obvious).

 An Even exchange would be a rook for a rook or a queen for a queen (this is a lose for both sides but, if you opponent is deadly with a queen it is a good idea).

Hope this helps your game improve.

 

2nd January 2008, 05:19am
#2
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
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The rook is generally thought to be worth closer to 5 than 4. A rook will do better than one minor piece (bishop or knight) plus one pawn. The minor pieces (bishop and knight) are worth just slightly more than 3. 3 Minor pieces (BBN or BNN) can outperform a queen. One thing that many new players don't pick up on right away is that two minor pieces are stronger than one rook.
2nd January 2008, 05:47am
#3
by benws
United States
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Loomis is right. The rook is closer to 5 than 4. but minor pieces are worth only 3, not more than 3 as sometimes stated. But you forgot the value of the king: one billion. Smile

There have been instances though, where a rook has outperformed two minor pieces. 


2nd January 2008, 05:55am
#4
by Magicmunky
Cambridgeshire United Kingdom
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Larry Kaufman studied this in great detail and his full article can be found on danheisman.home.comcast.net

I think you will find the following is more accurate;

Q = 9.75

R = 5

B/N = 3.25

BB pair = 0.5

Pawn = 1 


2nd January 2008, 06:04am
#5
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
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See Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_piece_point_value for all the references, for the knight/bishop being worth a little more than 3, you're disagreeing with the following: Emmanual Lasker, GM Larry Evans, Max Euwe, and Bobby Fischer.

 

Also referenced in the Wiki article is one of the most comprehensive studies of database games that was performed by IM Larry Kaufman (also a very strong GO player and somewhat famous in the world of Computer Science). He gave values of the knight and bishop at 3.25 based on results in thousands of games between FMs, IMs, and GMs.

 

The Wiki also cites World Correspondence Champion Hans Berliner's values "based on experience and computer experiments" where he gives the knight 3.2 and the bishop 3.33. 


2nd January 2008, 09:06am
#6
by silverskyski
Canada
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Guess the book I read was a bit off.
2nd January 2008, 09:22am
#7
by rich
United Kingdom
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In my book it says this

Queen=9

Rook=5

Bishop=4

Kinght=3

King=2

Pawn=1

But it's an old book.

2nd January 2008, 09:23am
#8
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
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King = 2 ?!!  throw that book in the trash!
2nd January 2008, 09:26am
#9
by rich
United Kingdom
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 The king is the most inportant piece but it's going off power. 
2nd January 2008, 09:30am
#10
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
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rich wrote:  The king is the most inportant piece but it's going off power. 

Even so , the king is at least equal to a knight , which is 3 . Throw it in the trash . Smile

2nd January 2008, 09:35am
#11
by rich
United Kingdom
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But the king can't travel as far as a knight, and it can be checked and you can't sacrifice anything for it. So it's not that far out maybe 2:5.
2nd January 2008, 09:47am
#12
by Markle
Buckhannon,Wv United States
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 the trouble with the point system for the pieces is you have to take into account the position on the board sometimes a lowly pawn can be worth way more then a queen.

2nd January 2008, 09:47am
#13
by tooeasy1
Atlanta, Georgia United States
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The king's worth the game. Plus, some people believe that the Bishop is worth a teensy bit more than the Knight-like 3.00000000000000001 points or something.Tongue out
2nd January 2008, 09:52am
#14
by silverskyski
Canada
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The book I read was pretty old I bet thats why.
2nd January 2008, 09:59am
#15
by rich
United Kingdom
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Might be, but it tells you lot about the history of chess.
2nd January 2008, 10:05am
#16
by silverskyski
Canada
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No it was a Tutorial to chess book (I read it even though I knew how to play but wanted to see if I could learn something new).
2nd January 2008, 10:13am
#17
by rich
United Kingdom
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I never trade a bishop for a knight, because a bishop is more powerful in {most} positions.
2nd January 2008, 10:20am
#18
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
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Markle wrote:

 the trouble with the point system for the pieces is you have to take into account the position on the board sometimes a lowly pawn can be worth way more then a queen.


Of course the point system is not a global solution to chess strategy and tactics. Duh. But it does give a very good picture of the general strength and capabilities of the pieces. In this way it's a good first step towards chess strategy.

 

I think one should not just take the point system on blind faith though. A player who wishes to improve should investigate the reasonableness of the relative point values. For example, play a position against a computer where each side has a king and 4 or 5 pawns but one side has a bishop and the other a rook. Then try knight vs. rook. These are just simple examples, in complex middle games, the relative values of the pieces can be difficult to determine, but if you work at it, it might help your chess improve along the way. 


2nd January 2008, 10:27am
#19
by silverskyski
Canada
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Member Points: 55
True. I agree with you. After seeing so many comments I think everyone has in there mind the value of each piece from their own point of view. It can vary from the situation of the game. Basicaly, everyone values different pieces higher then others at different times and situations.
2nd January 2008, 10:38am
#20
by benws
United States
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The king is worth at least a billion points, since if you lose him, you lose the game. if you lose a knight or bishop then you don't necessarily lose the game.
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