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Please Help: Very Frustrated With Chess


  • 14 months ago · Quote · #21

    ChiefofBlunders

    @wafflmaster Maybe that'll help. I would much rather get into time trouble every game and come close to losing or lose on time than use up a third of my time and do stupid stuff.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #22

    fransisca20

    waffllemaster wrote:
     I played blitz chess for the first 3 years I liked chess and I was about as good as you are now.  And don't try to fool me "read or at least looked at"   I know how that is, flipping through a book to random pages.  Or starting a book and quitting a chapter or two in.  Pick just one book.  You can go as slowly as you want, just 5 pages or 20 minutes or whatever, but stick with it.  The goal isn't to just finish the book but to finish the book having absorbed the lessons the author was trying to teach.You get better at what you practice.  Sounds simple, may sound harsh, but it's true.  The time controls 30|0 and 15|10 are better than blitz, but if you're not blunder checking then they're too fast or you're not motivated to practice these new skills.  It's definitely tedious at first, but the good news is after it's a habit it's much easier.

     

     

     

    I AGREE WITH THIS  !!! , a lot players had improved a lot when they finished reading chess books, maybe you probably didn't take a serious when reading those books (like jumping to another chapter without finishing previous,quiting reading then moved to others books without finishing previous books, etc)..

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #23

    mmuurrii

    ChiefofBlunders wrote:

    @rmurray I appreciate your respectful and helpful advice, or lack thereof. Why did you post when it wasn't going to be constructive?

    ....perhaps you are suffering from "chess angst", and need to see a doctor?

    Yes, or no.   Constructive?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #24

    MuAlpahTheta

    Well, I'm no chess expert, but I've been there before.  Just simple advice that may not be as helpful as others, but here's what I know from being where you were:

    1. Play some turn based games!  If you make mistakes under a time pressure, then don't play under time pressure!  Do like a five day game, those are fun. 

    2. If you're feeling stressed about a game and you can't think about it: Take a break!  You have five days!  Relax!  It's a chess game!  Then when you come back, you should feel a bit refreshed.

    3. Actually read a chess book.  I did the same thing skip-and-choose the pages I liked, but I settled down and read a book which has really helped.

    4. Be creative!  I expiriment with openings sometimes, and if I find something I like, then I stick with it, don't be restricted by a set opening that you always do for every game.  There are quadrillions of chess moves (or quintillions, I really don't know.) why keep doing the same 4?

    5. There is no five, I just like 5 more than 4.

    Good luck!

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #25

    bean_Fischer

    I don't think you have problems with skills as much as mentality. You have set a bar and you are frustrated that you cannot reach it. You get more frustrated each time you lose.

    Your moves could be unnatural as you force to win. You want to finish the games as soon as possible. You may even play when your condition is not good.

    You have to break the circle. But how?

    Books may do but I doubt. You have to get a trainer. You have to be more relax and play natural moves. Don't force anything, let it comes to you naturally. Take 5 before you begin with your first move.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #26

    205thsq

    1st of all... i want you to know you are not alone. I often feel the same way. So any advice i'd give you would have 1st had to have worked for myself, but i have found no permanent fix so what can i say? There is no slow gradual road to improvement. I have crushed 1800+ players and then been grinded to death by 1200 players the very next game. Chess is like a wet bar of soap the harder i try to grasp it the slipperier it gets. The more i try to follow the general rules the more i generally lose. I used to make crazy aggressive moves and hope my opponent doesnt see the refutation, but now that ive stopped doing that, i am supposedly better but my rating is the same and my games are less fun. So what's the point? I know several book openings but the players in my rating range are off book by move 5 unless they are using a trap they've prepared in either case it usually requires some rule breaking to make them pay, but the calculations to find the refutations are often too difficult to find even under the longer time controls if you dont recognise them from experience so what good are the general rules? And there is no way i can memorize all the variations in all the various lines, so then i must master one or 2 systems and train myself to transpose as soon as possible, know all of the sidelines and the general stratagy and rinse and repeat the same lines over and over again until i can do them without thinking... but wait a second.... it is the thinking that i enjoy! To become good i must sacrifice the thrill of not knowing what comes next. I dont want to remember the good and bad moves i want to freshly discover them everytime i play, that is what makes chess fun, and that is why i play.

    • I play for the mate in 7's i didnt know were there till i tried a possibly unsound sacrifice (and i wont even try to remember it for next time, because it will be more fun to "find" it again)
    • I play for the forced perpetual when im 8 points down
    • i play for the underpromoted pawn mate, the double rook sac, the windmill attack or the semi smoothered mate i forced through deflection or by threatened material gain
    • I play for the king walk that secures the advantage in the queen less middle game

    Gosh darn it I PLAY CHESS!

    and winning and losing is a part of chess but it is not why i play.

    I play because I lust for the hidden beauty that has always been there but i never saw (or dont remember seeing) before today. 

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #27

    pdve

    i agree with waffle. openings are not the issue here. (jeff lebowski. the other jeffrey lebowski. the millionaire.)

    opening theory is for Grandmasters who know ten thousand games and can calculate deep tactics in just under a microsecond. for you or i, we can start with even a bad opening position and can still turn the position around if we know what we are doing. or on the other hand, we can start with a position recognized as 'slightly better for white' and blunder our queen on the next move.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #28

    ah93704559

    My good friend writes down EVERY SINGLE GAME HE PLAYS. If we play a couple of casual games he will literally keep all the moves on his phone. I asked him what he does with them and he told me he plays over them and looks for blunders a couple of times, then he looks at Fritz to see what it says about the game.

    I live in an area where there chess tournaments once every few months at best. This basically saps my motivation to write down my moves and study them. I think the key to improvement though, is to do that consistantly because you only learn by making mistakes and correcting them.

      I think a great way to improve is to study a book on tactics. Do about or so a night and really try to  understand all the nuances of the position. That seems to help me a little.

    Chess is a fun game. Thats the main thing. Its not so much about winning as it is about having fun. I have a friend I play regulary and sometimes I feel that if I tried as hard as I could EVERY SINGLE GAME I would probably crush him most of the time. That would pretty much kill the friendship I have with him. What fun would that be?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #29

    ticcherr

    waffllemaster wrote:
    ChiefofBlunders wrote:

    Did you bluncercheck your opening move? How about your second move? That's what I don't get because I can't get myself to do that.

     

    As for the multiple accounts thing, maybe I'll just delete this one after tonight anyway.

    Yes, I checked every move.  Somehow even in the opening I was nervous.  Even when I was playing the moves I'd played many times before.  One opponent even asked me after the game why I spent so long in the opening when I was playing regular moves.

    Thinking back, it wasn't even important to me if I won or lost actually.  I just wanted to play the best possible game I was capable of playing at that moment.  If my opponent won, it didn't bother me as long as they beat me because they were better and not because I made a dumb mistake.  That was honestly my attitude (and more or less still is at tournaments).

    If you can't get yourself to do it, then don't try.  It's possible to enjoy chess at every level.

    Wow Waffle i can tots rel8 2 dat nd it giv me hop cos ur liek 2k bulet init.. but u started plyin blitz online 1st tho so i think ima play more blitz thx dud.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #30

    TwistedLogic

    I can't look into your mind, but most of the time lower rated players keep loosing is because of a bad thinking process. You cannot improve(reading books) if you don't fix the basic weaknesses, it will just be more info you cannot use.

    Opening knowledge is NOT important at that level, it only really matters when > 1700. Most modern openings are so tweaked/sharp that with one mistake you can loose the game, it is better to play a solid system where you develop the pieces in the centre.

    To fix blunders do this before every move!:

    1) always first look for possible Checks

    2) always look EVERY Captures.

    3) awlays look for Threats, specially look at the last move.

    In the beginning(otb), i did write "CCT" on my notation and forced myself to look at the position. When i became a lot stronger, these things went automatically. Now i only calculate at critical positions, and for the rest i mostly play on patterns and ideas.

    The most important thing to become stronger is to have a solid thinking process and the awareness when to calculate.

    Also think about your possible weaknesses, my weaknesses didn't have anything to do with chess at all. I played too passive and didn't unbalance the position enough to get a good positions against stronger players, also I was always way too nervous at the board, so i couldn't calculate well, making unneeded blunders/wasting too much time.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #31

    btickler

    How good do you want to get, and how much time are you willing to devote?  Those are the questions.

    There's a threshold in chess.  If you want to get better past a certain point, you're going to have to buckle down and study.  It all boils down to whether chess is just a game you enjoy, or is it something more?  If studying saps all the enjoyment for you, you'll eventually get sick of it anyway, so no point in going that route unless you want to make chess a paying career that you don't enjoy ;)...in which case there are much better choices of career, since making a living at chess is quite a struggle.

    Set your boundary, say an hour a day (or couple hours a week, it's up to you) of study (you can keep playing as much as you enjoy it, I am talking about study), and then call it a day.  Research and read some good books, but don't spend your time pouring over the latest GM tournament games endlessly unless your goal is to become one.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #32

    TetsuoShima

    dreamwitch wrote:

    My coach gave me two pointers that helped me a lot. He started my lessons by teaching me several standard openings.  First find an opening that you are comfortable with that works for you. Then he stressed pattern recognition. His second piece of advice was to look at the whole board. I had a period of stress and frustration before his advice began to bear fruit.

    I play online not live. Reduces the stress level. Gives me time to study the board to choose my best move. As for books, Seriwan is good. Good luck.

     Do you need a chessboard for winning chess brilliancies, or is there a picture of the chessboard after every 4 moves?

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #33

    DazedKnight

    Simplify your chess. Use a few basic openings, do the daily puzzle, and make use of the Chess.com tactics trainer. Once your rating starts to improve, teach yourself some new openings, and continue to master tactics - they are the key to improving your chess.

    Finally, play lots of OTB chess with opponents of all ages and skill levels. Find a local club, join your national chess federation, and play in tournaments.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #34

    good_nite

    I try to have fun while playing, also love the challenge, win or lose! if the game has you coming back for more then your probably addicted or really intersted in the game and its challenges. Win or lose, the best and most stubborn players come back for more sooner or later and they get better and improve. this game can take years to master or if your lucky like some, not too long but they are few and far between. 

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #35

    netzach

    Look around the whole board. (at least twice!)

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #36

    kco

    netzach wrote:

    Look around the whole board. (at least twice!)

    now you got me thinking of this movie.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #37

    netzach

    Okay good point. Smile

    Make a plan instead. Mine is to always checkmate my opponent and play all my games with that as sole-objective.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #38

    dreamwitch

    TetsuoShima, I also play otb at the local chess club three hours a week. I also have a lesson every week with my coach. I set up my board next to the computer and copy my online moves to reenforce my visualization.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #39

    netzach

    Just play chess!

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #40

    good_nite

    thats what my dad used to say with a "shut up" on the end, oh and i like the picture further back, is that from "the exorcist"? best film ever and i never did eat my steak pie while watching it.


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